Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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Hi MB,
The ROCK is the SPIRIT.
Christ is the anointing.

Jn7 37-38

April 19, 2012 at 10:55 pm#293536

Participant

Hi MB,
Have you not come to Jesus Christ for the living water?
Do you not have the waters flowing from you?

Jn7.37-38

April 19, 2012 at 10:55 pm#293537

Blocked

So you say, Nick. What scriptural proof do you offer?

April 19, 2012 at 10:55 pm#293538

Participant

Hi MB,
Are the words of Jesus Christ not Spirit and life to you?

April 19, 2012 at 10:56 pm#293539

Blocked

No Nick. I still get thirsty and have to drink many times each day. How about you?

April 19, 2012 at 10:56 pm#293540

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,16:55)

Hi MB,
Are the words of Jesus Christ not Spirit and life to you?

What's that got to do with the verse in question?

April 19, 2012 at 11:07 pm#293545

Participant

Hi MB,
So still stuck in the earthly view?
What did Jesus mean in jn 7 37-38?

April 19, 2012 at 11:28 pm#293553

Blocked

He foretells of after the resurrection. Any human being on earth still must drink water each day – whether or not they believe in the Son of God.

There will come a day when some of us will never hunger or thirst again. Some of us will drink from the river flowing from the thrones. (Rev 22:17)

April 20, 2012 at 2:19 am#293616

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,09:53)

Hi MB,
The ROCK is the SPIRIT.
Christ is the anointing.

Jn7 37-38

i believe what paul said, the rock is Christ 1 cor 10.1-4

April 20, 2012 at 2:20 am#293618

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,09:13)

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,06:22)

For they drank from the spiritual rock that traveled with them, and that rock was Christ.

Jesus may have been the angel of God who went before the Israelites in the wilderness. (Exodus 20:20-23) But that verse could just as easily be referring to Moses, another christ of God.

Either way, at best it lists Jesus as an angel OF God, and not God Himself.

then aread in 1 cor 10.1-4 that paul said it is moses.
that is just your opinion boy LOL

April 20, 2012 at 2:21 am#293621

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,05:52)

Hi Jammin,
Clear to those who cannot yet see?

and you are one of those.

April 20, 2012 at 2:23 am#293623

Participant

Hi Jammin,
But how can you SEE if carnal vision is all you have?

April 20, 2012 at 2:30 am#293626

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,09:01)

Quote (jammin @ April 18 2012,21:27)

mat 24.36 refers to his HUMAN NATURE AND NOT HIS “NATURE AS GOD”

jammin,

It seems to me that you have a decision to make. You have to decide for yourself whether Jesus was truly God Almighty manifested in the flesh, and was therefore all-powerful and all-knowing…………..or if Jesus was a kind of “lesser god” while on earth, whose own God in heaven knew more than him and was greater than him.

You must also consider Nick's point about God being IN Jesus. How can God be IN God? Also, you must figure out who the God was that was doing the miracles through Jesus (Acts 2:22) if Jesus was truly our one and only God while on earth.

I'll leave you to meditate on these things.

read the context boy. you are just making your own opinion LOL

is peter lying when he said christ is all knowing? no man is all knowing. Christ is truly God!

i believe what apostle peter said.

the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming. but as God, he knows all.

remember christ became flesh. he is truly God and truly MAn.

April 20, 2012 at 2:31 am#293628

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Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:20)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,09:13)

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,06:22)

For they drank from the spiritual rock that traveled with them, and that rock was Christ.

Jesus may have been the angel of God who went before the Israelites in the wilderness. (Exodus 20:20-23) But that verse could just as easily be referring to Moses, another christ of God.

Either way, at best it lists Jesus as an angel OF God, and not God Himself.

then aread in 1 cor 10.1-4 that paul said it is moses.
that is just your opinion boy LOL

Paul said the word “christos”, jammin. Moses was one of the MANY “christos” of God. How do you know it refers to JESUS “christos” this time?

Also, if it DOES refer to Jesus “christos” this time, then all it proves is that Jesus was the ANGEL OF GOD who God sent before the Israelites. It doesn't in any way make a claim that Jesus is God Almighty, does it?

In fact, God is the one who ANOINTS “christos”. He is not an anointed one Himself.

April 20, 2012 at 2:32 am#293629

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,13:23)

Hi Jammin,
But how can you SEE if carnal vision is all you have?

that is just your opinion lol

you cant even read your imagination and you want people to believe you ..
you are sick lol

April 20, 2012 at 2:33 am#293630

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,13:31)

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:20)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,09:13)

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,06:22)

For they drank from the spiritual rock that traveled with them, and that rock was Christ.

Jesus may have been the angel of God who went before the Israelites in the wilderness. (Exodus 20:20-23) But that verse could just as easily be referring to Moses, another christ of God.

Either way, at best it lists Jesus as an angel OF God, and not God Himself.

then aread in 1 cor 10.1-4 that paul said it is moses.
that is just your opinion boy LOL

Paul said the word “christos”, jammin. Moses was one of the MANY “christos” of God. How do you know it refers to JESUS “christos” this time?

In fact, God is the one who ANOINTS “christos”. He is not an anointed one Himself.

no need to explain mike

read in 1 cor 10-1.4 that it is moses.

can you read it or not?

April 20, 2012 at 2:39 am#293633

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Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:30)

the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming.

So then, as a man, he WASN'T really “all-knowing”, was he?

John 5:20
For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these.

It seems Jesus was NOT all-knowing, for his Father was still in the process of showing him new things at the time he said these words.

April 20, 2012 at 2:40 am#293635

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Hi MB,
You say
“Also, if it DOES refer to Jesus “christos” this time, then all it proves is that Jesus was the ANGEL OF GOD who God sent before the Israelites. It doesn't in any way make a claim that Jesus is God Almighty, does it?”

Is this proveable or just an opinion?

April 20, 2012 at 2:40 am#293636

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Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:33)

no need to explain mike

read in 1 cor 10-1.4 that it is moses.

Read in that scripture that it is Jesus. (And I mean the GREEK TEXT, not one of your cheesy, altered translations.)

And, if you CAN read it in the Greek text, will you admit that Jesus was the ANGEL OF God who was COMMANDED by his God to go before the Israelites?

April 20, 2012 at 2:41 am#293637