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Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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  • April 14, 2012 at 9:46 pm#292339
    mikeboll64
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    Wrong Ed. Thomas said the words to JESUS. Are you implying he said “My Lord” to Jesus and “my God” to the Father who was in heaven, but at the same time hiding inside the flesh body of Jesus?

    Why then doesn't the text say that? Why does the text instead say that Thomas said “my Lord and my God” to JESUS alone?

    Face it guys, Thomas called Jesus “my God”, plain and simple. Twist away, but you won't change the facts or the scriptural words.

    April 14, 2012 at 10:10 pm#292347
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    If the Father was in you would you struggle with this concept?

    April 14, 2012 at 10:14 pm#292350
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2012,08:46)
    Wrong Ed.  Thomas said the words to JESUS.  Are you implying he said “My Lord” to Jesus and “my God” to the Father who was in heaven, but at the same time hiding inside the flesh body of Jesus?

    Why then doesn't the text say that?  Why does the text instead say that Thomas said “my Lord and my God” to JESUS alone?

    Face it guys, Thomas called Jesus “my God”, plain and simple.  Twist away, but you won't change the facts or the scriptural words.


    Hi Mike,

    “He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High
    shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.” (Psalms 91:1)
    “God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them;” (2Cor.6:16)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 14, 2012 at 10:16 pm#292353
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Nope.  I don't know that the Father IS in me, but if He were, I would be able to understand that it meant the Father was guiding me through His Spirit that He put upon me.

    I would never understand it to mean that the Father left His dwelling in heaven and came to His footstool to physically live inside of my flesh body.  And I know that no human being would ever be able to SEE the Father inside of me, as if He were hiding amongst my ribs or something.

    Get a different understanding, Nick.  Thomas called JESUS his God, plain and simple.  He also called Jesus his Lord, knowing full well that Jesus was not the Lord of heaven and earth who dwells in heaven.

    April 14, 2012 at 10:18 pm#292355
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    You should know.
    Matthew 10:20
    For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

    April 14, 2012 at 10:20 pm#292357
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Why would we want to go back to where you stand, locked in a prison of fleshly thought?
    We have been there and done that.
    The light is where we are

    April 14, 2012 at 10:29 pm#292367
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    “Light” doesn't teach that God became His own Son, Nick. They place where you dwell is perhaps within the fake light casted off of that deceiver who is masquerading for you as an angel of light.

    April 14, 2012 at 10:31 pm#292369
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Scripture does not teach that Jesus was a lesser god in heaven.
    But it does say the Word was God.

    April 14, 2012 at 10:36 pm#292372
    mikeboll64
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    Actually, since scripture says the Word was a god, it does teach that Jesus was one of the many lesser gods in heaven before the world was created through him.

    There were also many other lesser gods in heaven who shouted for joy at the founding of the earth.

    April 14, 2012 at 10:41 pm#292375
    Ed J
    Participant

    “This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
      If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:” (1 John 1:5-6 )

    April 15, 2012 at 1:05 am#292401
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Can you find lesser god written for us?
    Or do we use logic?

    April 15, 2012 at 1:10 am#292402
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    We use logic, Nick. If Jesus is for sure called a god – even by the Most High God; yet he is NOT the Most High God, then it leaves no choice but for him to be a lesser god.

    April 15, 2012 at 1:18 am#292406
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2012,12:10)
    We use logic, Nick.  If Jesus is for sure called a god – even by the Most High God; yet he is NOT the Most High God, then it leaves no choice but for him to be a lesser god.


    Hi Mike,

    Your belief is based on a faulty premise as the Greek was no indefinite article.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 15, 2012 at 1:30 am#292412
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Ed,

    You only pretend to believe that God could have been WITH God in the beginning because your doctrine insists upon this nonsense.

    Even the Trinitarians understand that John 1:1 speaks of TWO entities.  They just add in their OWN nonsense by claiming these TWO different entities are somehow the same ONE God.

    The only logical solution, and therefore the scriptural one (since God is not the God of confusion), is that the Word was a god who was with THE God in the beginning.  Add to that the fact that when this Word BECAME flesh, he was Jesus (who we know is called a god and “the Word” elsewhere in scripture), and it shouldn't be as hard to understand as you guys try to make it.

    April 15, 2012 at 3:12 am#292427
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2012,02:16)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,19:59)
    Indeed Jammin,
    Thomas SAW his LORD and his GOD IN HIM.


    No man has ever seen God, except for the man who came down from heaven.

    Thomas was calling Jesus his god because Jesus is a god.  But Thomas, as a disciple and direct recipient of Jesus' teachings, didn't confuse his god Jesus with Jesus' own God – the Most High God Jehovah.

    Similarly, Thomas didn't confuse his Lord Jesus with Jesus' own Lord – the Lord of heaven and earth.


    wrong mike.

    jesus is God not god.

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.

    just like you and your father, you have the same nature, MAN.

    you are truly man.

    Christ is truly God.

    April 15, 2012 at 3:14 am#292429
    jammin
    Participant

    ed and nick,

    Christ is truly God. Christ is not the father. Christ is not the HS.

    Christ is the son of GOD (mat 16.16)
    believe what peter said

    April 15, 2012 at 4:25 pm#292504
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ April 14 2012,21:12)
    wrong mike.

    jesus is God not god.

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.

    just like you and your father, you have the same nature, MAN.

    you are truly man.

    Christ is truly God.


    jammin,

    Why do you only apply that flawed logic to Jesus? Why not also apply it to all the other sons of God – like those mentioned in Job 1:6?

    Since they also are sons of God, are they also God Himself?

    Surely you can see by this example that your reasoning is flawed.

    April 15, 2012 at 7:20 pm#292518
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2012,12:10)
    We use logic, Nick.  If Jesus is for sure called a god – even by the Most High God; yet he is NOT the Most High God, then it leaves no choice but for him to be a lesser god.


    Hi MB,
    It is not for us to propose truth from our dim worldly view.
    Find it written and then find witnesses

    April 15, 2012 at 7:21 pm#292519
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2012,12:30)
    Ed,

    You only pretend to believe that God could have been WITH God in the beginning because your doctrine insists upon this nonsense.

    Even the Trinitarians understand that John 1:1 speaks of TWO entities.  They just add in their OWN nonsense by claiming these TWO different entities are somehow the same ONE God.

    The only logical solution, and therefore the scriptural one (since God is not the God of confusion), is that the Word was a god who was with THE God in the beginning.  Add to that the fact that when this Word BECAME flesh, he was Jesus (who we know is called a god and “the Word” elsewhere in scripture), and it shouldn't be as hard to understand as you guys try to make it.


    Hi MB,
    God was not with God.
    But the WORD of God was with God and WAS God.

    April 15, 2012 at 7:28 pm#292522
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2012,13:20)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2012,12:10)
    We use logic, Nick.  If Jesus is for sure called a god – even by the Most High God; yet he is NOT the Most High God, then it leaves no choice but for him to be a lesser god.


    Hi MB,
    It is not for us to propose truth from our dim worldly view.
    Find it written and then find witnesses


    It is written, with plenty of witnesses.

    John 1:1, 1:18, 20:28, Is 9:6, possibly Heb 1:10.

    These are verses where Jesus is called a god. Now, do you think Jesus is the very God who created him? Do you think he is the MOST HIGH God? If not, then he is a lesser god.

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