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  • March 7, 2012 at 1:05 am#283262
    jammin
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    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2012,06:18)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 06 2012,18:08)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2012,20:01)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,06:37)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,07:37)
    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know HIM that is true, and we are in HIM that is true, even in HIS SON Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God , and eternal life.

    English sentence structure may yet be difficult for you.
    I have highlighted and colorized this verse for YOU, that way
    YOU can see who the pronouns “HIM” and “HIS” are refering to.

    The “Subject” of verse 20 (God) goes back to verse 18,
    so YOU can see the pronouns are about HIM (YHVH).

                         Here is the same verse in context

    1 John 5:18-21 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he
    that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
    19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20
    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that
    we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    you are a joker edj,

    hahahah

    im laughing again…

    you cant even read in 1 john 5.20 that christ is not the true GOD.
    that is just your opinion.,

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the True GOD!


    Jammin,

    2 is not equal to 1

    That is basic math.  Try again.


    did i say two is equal to one?

    you are accusing me kerwin. read well my post..

    i said, the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature, MAN!

    unless you are an animal..

    the father is called the true GOD!

    the son is also called the true GOD!
    it's very clear in 1 john 5.20


    Jammin,

    Then are you polytheistic and believe in multiple God?

    The nature of God is he cannot be tempted by nor do evil.

    Scripture declares Jesus was tempted by evil.

    A lesser form of God's nature is that he does not sin.  Jesus has been created to be like God in that lesser form.

    The God's Word translation uses a questionable method of translation according to this excerpt from Wikipedia.

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    GW uses a dynamic equivalence translation methodology it calls “Closest Natural Equivalence”.[3] Critics argue that the dynamic equivalence translation method forfeits translation in favor of interpretation and commentary, separating the reader from the actual meaning of the biblical author


    the topic is not about multiple GOD.
    and by the way, that is just your imagination.

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    therefore, the thread has been answered.

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD!

    better luck next time

    March 7, 2012 at 1:35 am#283271
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 07 2012,06:05)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2012,06:18)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 06 2012,18:08)

    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2012,20:01)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,06:37)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,07:37)
    Hi Jammin,

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,
    that we may know HIM that is true, and we are in HIM that is true, even in HIS SON Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God , and eternal life.

    English sentence structure may yet be difficult for you.
    I have highlighted and colorized this verse for YOU, that way
    YOU can see who the pronouns “HIM” and “HIS” are refering to.

    The “Subject” of verse 20 (God) goes back to verse 18,
    so YOU can see the pronouns are about HIM (YHVH).

                         Here is the same verse in context

    1 John 5:18-21 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he
    that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
    19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20
    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that
    we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
    This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    you are a joker edj,

    hahahah

    im laughing again…

    you cant even read in 1 john 5.20 that christ is not the true GOD.
    that is just your opinion.,

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the True GOD!


    Jammin,

    2 is not equal to 1

    That is basic math.  Try again.


    did i say two is equal to one?

    you are accusing me kerwin. read well my post..

    i said, the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature, MAN!

    unless you are an animal..

    the father is called the true GOD!

    the son is also called the true GOD!
    it's very clear in 1 john 5.20


    Jammin,

    Then are you polytheistic and believe in multiple God?

    The nature of God is he cannot be tempted by nor do evil.

    Scripture declares Jesus was tempted by evil.

    A lesser form of God's nature is that he does not sin.  Jesus has been created to be like God in that lesser form.

    The God's Word translation uses a questionable method of translation according to this excerpt from Wikipedia.

    Quote
    GW uses a dynamic equivalence translation methodology it calls “Closest Natural Equivalence”.[3] Critics argue that the dynamic equivalence translation method forfeits translation in favor of interpretation and commentary, separating the reader from the actual meaning of the biblical author


    the topic is not about multiple GOD.
    and by the way, that is just your imagination.

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    therefore, the thread has been answered.

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD!

    better luck next time


    Jammin,

    Your teaching sounds confused as two birds have the same nature but yet are still two birds. In addition two birds does not equal one bird. Can you make it more understandable?

    Polytheism is the belief in more than one God and by your words that is what you believe in.

    Your question is about Christology and i am addressing that issue.

    March 7, 2012 at 3:08 pm#283379
    jammin
    Participant

    the bible says that. john says that Christ is the TRUE GOD!

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature, MAN!

    you are not an animal kerwin.
    your nature is MAN!

    believe it or not, the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    and it is very clear in 1 john 5.20 that john also called the CHRIST as the TRUE GOD!

    you cant read anywhere in the bible that Christ is not GOD!
    no verse that says CHRIST is not GOD! Christ did not say that he is not GOD! you cant read that! but the bible teaches us that CHRIST is GOD!

    what we can read is Christ is truly GOD!

    he has the same nature as the father!

    better luck next time mr dream boy

    March 8, 2012 at 12:07 am#283468
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 07 2012,20:08)
    the bible says that. john says that Christ is the TRUE GOD!

    the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    for exmple, you and your father have the same nature, MAN!

    you are not an animal kerwin.
    your nature is MAN!

    believe it or not, the father and the son have the same nature, GOD!

    and it is very clear in 1 john 5.20 that john also called the CHRIST as the TRUE GOD!

    you cant read anywhere in the bible that Christ is not GOD!
    no verse that says CHRIST is not GOD! Christ did not say that he is not GOD! you cant read that! but the bible teaches us that CHRIST is GOD!

    what we can read is Christ is truly GOD!

    he has the same nature as the father!

    better luck next time mr dream boy


    Jammin,

    It does not say the Christ is God. You have just been blinded by the god of this world.

    A broken spirit and a contrite heart are pleasing to God. Ask, Seek, and grab and hold on to them.

    March 8, 2012 at 2:12 am#283522
    jammin
    Participant

    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    Christ is GOD!

    you cant read any single verse that says that Christ is not GOD!
    many verses says that Christ is GOD! truly GOD!

    better luck next time

    March 8, 2012 at 2:36 am#283527
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 08 2012,12:12)
    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    Christ is GOD!

    you cant read any single verse that says that Christ is not GOD!
    many verses says that Christ is GOD! truly GOD!

    better luck next time


    Hi Jammin, Christ's Father is GOD!

    1 John 5:20 οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ θεοῦ ἥκει καὶ δέδωκεν ἡμῖν διάνοιαν ἵνα γινώσκομεν τὸν ἀληθινόν
    καὶ ἐσμὲν ἐν τῷ ἀληθινῷ ἐν τῷ υἱῷ αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦ Χριστῷ οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ ἀληθινὸς θεὸς καὶ ζωὴ αἰώνιος

    But We know that the Son of God come to us, and given us understanding in order to know him
    that is true, and these are the things in his Son Jesus Christ, this is the true God and eternal life.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    Reason for edit: forgot a comma

    March 8, 2012 at 2:39 am#283529
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2012,12:36)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 08 2012,12:12)
    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    Christ is GOD!

    you cant read any single verse that says that Christ is not GOD!
    many verses says that Christ is GOD! truly GOD!

    better luck next time


    Hi Jammin, Christ's Father is GOD!

    1 John 5:20 οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ θεοῦ ἥκει καὶ δέδωκεν ἡμῖν διάνοιαν ἵνα γινώσκομεν τὸν ἀληθινόν
    καὶ ἐσμὲν ἐν τῷ ἀληθινῷ ἐν τῷ υἱῷ αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦ Χριστῷ οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ ἀληθινὸς θεὸς καὶ ζωὴ αἰώνιος

    But We know that the Son of God come to us, and given us understanding in order to know him
    that is true, and these are the things in his Son Jesus Christ, this is the true God and eternal life.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Jammin, the “AKJV Bible” has translated 1John 5:20 correctly.

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know
    him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 8, 2012 at 2:41 am#283530
    jammin
    Participant

    the apple is green. it is so delicious.

    what is so delicious?

    March 8, 2012 at 2:56 am#283533
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Do you actually put fingers in your ears and hum a tune?
    Listen

    March 8, 2012 at 3:18 am#283537
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    Most of us here know that 1John 5:20 is akin to John 17:3.

    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee
    the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 8, 2012 at 3:22 am#283539
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    Oneness folk miss that one.

    March 8, 2012 at 4:11 am#283551
    jammin
    Participant

    just answer the question nick and edj
    i do not need your explnation.
    you are a dreamer group.

    you cant even read your opinion.
    what you are doing is just dreaming.
    always dreaming…

    no verse in the bible that says that Christ is not called the true GOD!

    what we can read is the father is called the true GOD!
    the son is also called the TRUE GOD!

    and it is very clear in 1 john 5.20
    false teachers are picking translations bec it does not fit to their doctrine,

    make your own version dreamer boys

    March 8, 2012 at 4:21 am#283555
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 08 2012,14:11)
    just answer the question nick and edj
    i do not need your explnation.
    you are a dreamer group.

    you cant even read your opinion.
    what you are doing is just dreaming.
    always dreaming…

    no verse in the bible that says that Christ is not called the true GOD!

    what we can read is the father is called the true GOD!
    the son is also called the TRUE GOD!

    and it is very clear in 1 john 5.20
    false teachers are picking translations bec it does not fit to their doctrine,

    make your own version dreamer boys


    Hi Jammin, it's nice to see you have FINALLY identified the problem!

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them     (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
    Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue    (that is English) will he speak to this people.

    1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
    or at the most by three    (Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 8, 2012 at 4:28 am#283559
    jammin
    Participant

    it is you edj who picks translation

    do not make people fool

    i can read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is the TRUE GOD!

    your opinion in 1 john 5.20 cant be read in the bible

    no single verse that says Christ is not called the true GOD!

    make your own version dreamer boy

    March 8, 2012 at 4:41 am#283562
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 08 2012,07:12)
    1 John 5:20

    GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    20We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.

    Christ is GOD!

    you cant read any single verse that says that Christ is not GOD!
    many verses says that Christ is GOD! truly GOD!

    better luck next time


    Jammin,

    It is true that many men who translate scripture do so by private interpretation and not by the spirit while others gather around them what their itching ears want to hear.  Neither of those facts put into scripture what is not there.

    Try a more literal version unless you know the translators are carried along by the Spirit.

    1 John 5

    Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

    19we have known that of God we are, and the whole world in the evil doth lie;
    20and we have known that the Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind, that we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ; this one is the true God and the life age-during!

    Above is Young's Literal Version which is not completely free from bias.   The subject of the teaching is Yahweh and not Jesus.  Yawheh is the true God and eternal life.

    March 8, 2012 at 4:45 am#283564
    jammin
    Participant

    YLT says that Christ is the True GOD

    let me post the verse
    19we have known that of God we are, and the whole world in the evil doth lie;
    20and we have known that the Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind, that we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ; this one is the true God and the life age-during!

    the last sentence refers to christ!

    as i have said, no single verse that says Christ is not called the true GOD!
    1 john 5.20 is very clear about christ that he is the TRUE GOD!

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD!

    better luck next time

    March 8, 2012 at 5:04 am#283578
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 08 2012,09:45)
    YLT says that Christ is the True GOD

    let me post the verse
    19we have known that of God we are, and the whole world in the evil doth lie;
    20and we have known that the Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind, that we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ; this one is the true God and the life age-during!

    the last sentence refers to christ!

    as i have said, no single verse that says Christ is not called the true GOD!
    1 john 5.20 is very clear about christ that he is the TRUE GOD!

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD!

    better luck next time


    jammin,

    Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

    19we have known that of God we are, and the whole world in the evil doth lie;
    20and we have known that the Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind, that we may know Him(Yawheh) who is true, and we are in Him(Yawheh) who is true, in His(Yawheh's) Son Jesus Christ; this one(Yawheh) is the true God and the life age-during!

    Pro noun use can be tricky but this teaching is primarily about Yawheh who Jesus reveals to us.

    March 8, 2012 at 5:12 am#283581
    jammin
    Participant

    that is your opinion. but i cant read in the verse that john says that Christ is not the true GOD.

    it is very clear that it refers to Christ.

    as i have said, no verse in the bible that Christ is not called the true GOD. those false teachers are just dreaming.

    what we can read is Christ is also called the true GOD

    btw, you did not say that you are a doctor by profession.

    let me post your doctored YLT
    you said
    this one(Yawheh) is the true God and the life age-during!

    when will you publish your doctored YLT???

    this is what the true YLT said in verse 20
    20 in His Son Jesus Christ; this one is the true God and the life age-during!

    see the difference?? there is no yahweh in the last sentence.
    it says THIS ONE IS THE TRUE GOD.. AND NOT THIS ONE (YAHWEH) IS THE TRUE GOD ETC..

    TSK TSK…bad kerwin..

    you are really a false teacher.

    make your own version,
    better luck next time.

    March 8, 2012 at 5:42 am#283604
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2012,08:18)
    Hi Nick,

    Most of us here know that 1John 5:20 is akin to John 17:3.

    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee
    the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Ed J.

    Good point!

    March 8, 2012 at 5:45 am#283608
    jammin
    Participant

    doctor kerwin,

    when will you publish your own version?

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