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  • April 6, 2012 at 9:28 pm#290495
    carmel
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    Quote (Ed J @ April 03 2012,17:54)
    Hi Charles, Perhaps you did not understand what I said?

    Isaiah 35:5-10 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
    Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters
    break out, and streams in the desert. And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs
    of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

    And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it;
    but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein. No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast
    shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there (Rev.21:24): And the ransomed of the LORD shall return,
    and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org


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    Perhaps you did not understand what I said

    Edj,

    since John was a unque on earth isn't he also a unique in heaven.

    One will receive accordinglly to what he was on earth NO?

    Don't you agree??

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    No, I don't. One may have been a rebellious Angel before coming to earth, and
    since there time here on Earth have changed into a mighty worrier for YHVH.
    Our time on Earth is the proof of where our heart is really at toward God.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    No, I don't. One may have been a rebellious Angel before coming to earth,

    Edj,

    the rebellious angels were sent to the bottom of hell fire to start the road back to the Father through our creation transformed as matter,therefore HUMANS; US.

    The holy  people came down from heaven and they were the saints like John. They had their appropriete and respective mission to what they are in heaven.

    So Michael is the prince of heaven and it was his task to throw down Lucifer to earth. And it was His task also to remove satan's spirit from Jesus in baptizm. It was always between Satan and Michael to sort things out when something couldn't be decided according to the agreed principles. Like who would own the body of Moses.

    Jude 1:99Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Hi C,
    God does not offer salvation to rebellious angels or to demons.

    Holy men are made holy by the Holy Spirit. Likewise their work was from the Spirit in them and not themselves. None lived in heaven before their earthly missions.

    Michael is not THE prince of heaven but is one of the chief princes[dan]

    Jesus was found not to need baptism. He was already clean. He said there were no demons in him.

    Yes he did dispute with the devil but one verse plus assumptions does not make a true doctrine.

    Satan is said to be thrown to earth not Lucifer.


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    God does not offer salvation to rebellious angels or to demons.

    Nick,
    You and me are the rebellious angels transformed into matter through Jesus' Spirit in Creation.

    Angels as creatures has two spiritual substances, not like us with a matter substance as well.

    These two spirit creatures, therefore, as soon as they rebelled had to be separated. Similar to what will happen to us after death. So, the spiritual substance were formed demons and were sent to the depth of hell, Lucifer’s spirit became Satan. The other substance their spiritual bodies, originated through Jesus' Spirit, were transformed into matter in creation in order to establish the flesh substance. So these were the pre-Adamites  created through nature with an evil spirit and a flesh and blood body only, beast like humans without a soul. When the time was fulfilled, God transformed this beast (Lucifer’s)due to its extinction the process of evolution, into the first created man ,and through Jesus Spirit furnished him  with a soul in Adam as the first living soul.
    This soul was required  to act as an intellect and also a general mediator between the spirit from the Holy Spirit, (replacing Satan’s)and a clean flesh from earth the origin of the rebel. The Holy Spirit, needed the soul since he was too powerful to abide in this kind of flesh body
    Adam’s( Lucifer as the cause of the rebel)  evil concept had to be tested to verify, whether he is still within the same pride evil concept.

    He sinned through Satan's (ex Lucifer)intervention through Eve his subject and the Holy Spirit became inactive simply because Satan's spirit entered and replaced The Holy Spirit in his soul.

    Humans became sons of Satans, the property of Satan, in spirit, soul and body, practically back to square one LUCIFER BUT AS THE FIRST EVIL HUMAN INSTEAD OF ANGEL.

    Ephisians 2:3 ong whom also we all had our conversation in time
    s past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were BY NATURE THECHILDREN OF WRATH, EVEN AS OTHERS.

    It had to be Jesus Spirit the only pure substance transformed into the flesh of Mary through the descending of the angels (Abel the first ever)to create the appropriate genealogy  through nature like us. This was followed by Seth, the fathers, and prophets in order for God to be born in Jesus, for redeemtion.

    ALL IN HIM, ALL WITH HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

    So in reality Mary is Jesus' Spirit born first as a woman

    45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

    Matthew 13: Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

    Jesus the first born of every creature in the origin of species of the evolution system. THEN:

    He was the first born as human like beast (the first devil in flesh)
    due to the extinction of this beast.

    He was the first born as man without a soul

    He was the first born as a living soul,

    He was the first born as the first sinful man in flesh and blood in Adam (US)

    He was the first born of every select from Abel onwards

    He was the first born in an  immaculate flesh in MARY.( recovering EVE first)

    He was the first born, AND THE LAST  man as SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN

    WHICH MEANS: HE WAS BORN BOTH with JESUS’ SPIRIT,AND SATAN’S IN HIS SOUL IN ORDER TO BE IN ALL THNGS LIKE US BUT WITHOUT ANY CONTAMINATION OF THE REBELLIOUS SIN,TO DESTROY HIM AND ERADICATE HIM ENTIRELY FROM CREATION

    John 1:5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    Hebrews 2:14 Therefore because the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner hath been partaker of the same: that, through death, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil: 15 And might deliver them, who through the fear of death were all their lifetime subject to servitude. 16 For no where doth he take hold of the angels: but of the seed of Abraham he taketh hold. 17 Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful priest before God, that he might be a propitiation for the sins of the people.

    He was the last to die in Satan's Grip like humans in His time, to be taken to hell, and the FIRST BORN from the dead as a spiritual flesh substance for God the Father to abide within.

    IN THE IDENTICAL SYSTEM OF EVOLUTION IN THE PROCESS OF THE ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES

    REV: 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

    WACKING STUFF???

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES


    Hi C,
    So your philosphy is of the YIN YAN type?
    Come into the fold of sheep.


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    So your philosphy is of the YIN YAN type?

    Nick,

    contradict me specifically.

    It is all scriptural

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    April 6, 2012 at 9:48 pm#290500
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 07 2012,07:13)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,17:18)
    Hi Jammin,

    Should I consider your post an answer of “YES” then?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    Should I consider your post an answer of “YES” then?

    edj,

    COUNT ME AS WELL.

    YES MARY IS BOTH THE MOTHER OF THE SON OF GOD AND THE SON OF MAN

    THE SON OF GOD CAME FROM HEAVEN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND THE SON OF MAN THROUGH MARY'S FLESH,BUT IN HIS SOULS HAD ALSO SATAN'S  TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HUMANS IN HIS TIME IN ORDER TO DESTROY HIM.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES


    OK Charles,

    I will count you in: now answer the question that I asked.

    Are you suggesting that Mary is(?) the mother of God?

    MARY IS BOTH THE MOTHER OF THE SON OF GOD AND
    THE SON OF MAN IS NOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm#290503
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,
    You say and claim scriptural backing for.
    I will question some with ??s

    “You and me are the rebellious angels transformed into matter through Jesus' Spirit in Creation.[??]

    Angels as creatures has two spiritual substances, not like us with a matter substance as well.[??]

    These two spirit creatures[??], therefore, as soon as they rebelled had to be separated. Similar to what will happen to us after death. So, the spiritual substance were formed demons[??] and were sent to the depth of hell, Lucifer’s spirit became Satan[??]. The other substance their spiritual bodies[??], originated through Jesus' Spirit[??] were transformed [??]into matter in creation in order to establish the flesh substance. So these were the pre-Adamites created through nature with an evil spirit and a flesh and blood body only, beast like humans without a soul[??]. When the time was fulfilled, God transformed this beast[??] (Lucifer’s)due to its extinction the process of evolution, into the first created man [??],and through Jesus Spirit[??] furnished him with a soul in Adam as the first living soul.
    This soul was required to act as an intellect [??]and also a general mediator between the spirit from the Holy Spirit[??], (replacing Satan’s)and a clean flesh from earth the origin of the rebel. The Holy Spirit, needed the soul since he[??] was too powerful to abide in this kind of flesh body
    Adam’s( Lucifer as the cause of the rebel) evil concept[??] had to be tested to verify, whether he is still within the same pride evil concept.

    He sinned through Satan's (ex Lucifer)intervention through Eve his subject and the Holy Spirit became inactive[??] simply because Satan's spirit entered and replaced[??] The Holy Spirit in his soul.

    Humans became sons of Satans, the property of Satan, in spirit, soul and body, practically back to square one LUCIFER BUT AS THE FIRST EVIL HUMAN[??] INSTEAD OF ANGEL.

    Ephisians 2:3 ong whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were BY NATURE THECHILDREN OF WRATH, EVEN AS OTHERS.

    It had to be Jesus Spirit the only pure substance transformed into the flesh of Mary[??] through the descending of the angels [??](Abel the first ever)to create the appropriate genealogy through nature like us. This was followed by Seth, the fathers, and prophets in order for God [??]to be born in Jesus, for redeemtion.

    ALL IN HIM, ALL WITH HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

    So in reality Mary is Jesus' Spirit[??] born first as a woman

    45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

    Matthew 13: Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

    Jesus the first born of every creature in the origin of species of the evolution system[??]. THEN:

    He was the first born as human like beast [??](the first devil in flesh)
    due to the extinction of this beast.

    He was the first born as man without a soul[??}

    He was the first born as a living soul,

    He was the first born as the first sinful man in flesh and blood in Adam [??](US)

    He was the first born of every select[??] from Abel onwards

    He was the first born in an immaculate flesh [??]in MARY.( recovering EVE first)

    He was the first born, AND THE LAST man as SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN

    WHICH MEANS: HE WAS BORN BOTH with JESUS’ SPIRIT]??],AND SATAN’S[??] IN HIS SOUL IN ORDER TO BE IN ALL THNGS LIKE US BUT WITHOUT ANY CONTAMINATION OF THE REBELLIOUS SIN,TO DESTROY HIM [??]AND ERADICATE HIM ENTIRELY FROM CREATION

    John 1:5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    Hebrews 2:14 Therefore because the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner hath been partaker of the same: that, through death, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil: 15 And might deliver them, who through the fear of death were all their lifetime subject to servitude. 16 For no where doth he take hold of the angels: but of the seed of Abraham he taketh hold. 17 Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful priest before God, that he might be a propitiation for the sins of the people.

    He was the last to die in Satan's Grip like humans in His time, to be taken[??] to hell, and the FIRST BORN from the dead as a spiritual flesh substance[??] for God the Father to abide within.

    IN THE IDENTICAL SYSTEM OF EVOLUTION[??] IN THE PROCESS OF THE ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES

    REV: 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega…”

    Seems like a load of speculative cobblers to me.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:23 pm#290511
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 07 2012,07:00)
    Nick,
    You and me are the rebellious angels transformed into matter through Jesus' Spirit in Creation.


    Hi Charles,

    Please join us in this very same discussion here.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    April 7, 2012 at 2:12 am#290539
    jammin
    Participant

    nick,

    you mean fold of goat

    April 7, 2012 at 3:19 pm#290667
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,08:51)
    Hi C,
    You say and claim scriptural backing for.
    I will question some with ??s

    “You and me are the rebellious angels transformed into matter through Jesus' Spirit in Creation.[??]

    Angels as creatures has two spiritual substances, not like us with a matter substance as well.[??]

    These two spirit creatures[??], therefore, as soon as they rebelled had to be separated. Similar to what will happen to us after death. So, the spiritual substance were formed demons[??] and were sent to the depth of hell, Lucifer’s spirit became Satan[??]. The other substance their spiritual bodies[??], originated through Jesus' Spirit[??] were transformed [??]into matter in creation in order to establish the flesh substance. So these were the pre-Adamites  created through nature with an evil spirit and a flesh and blood body only, beast like humans without a soul[??]. When the time was fulfilled, God transformed this beast[??] (Lucifer’s)due to its extinction the process of evolution, into the first created man [??],and through Jesus Spirit[??] furnished him  with a soul in Adam as the first living soul.
    This soul was required  to act as an intellect [??]and also a general mediator between the spirit from the Holy Spirit[??], (replacing Satan’s)and a clean flesh from earth the origin of the rebel. The Holy Spirit, needed the soul since he[??] was too powerful to abide in this kind of flesh body
    Adam’s( Lucifer as the cause of the rebel)  evil concept[??] had to be tested to verify, whether he is still within the same pride evil concept.

    He sinned through Satan's (ex Lucifer)intervention through Eve his subject and the Holy Spirit became inactive[??] simply because Satan's spirit entered and replaced[??] The Holy Spirit in his soul.

    Humans became sons of Satans, the property of Satan, in spirit, soul and body, practically back to square one LUCIFER BUT AS THE FIRST EVIL HUMAN[??] INSTEAD OF ANGEL.

    Ephisians 2:3 ong whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were BY NATURE THECHILDREN OF WRATH, EVEN AS OTHERS.

    It had to be Jesus Spirit the only pure substance transformed into the flesh of Mary[??] through the descending of the angels [??](Abel the first ever)to create the appropriate genealogy  through nature like us. This was followed by Seth, the fathers, and prophets in order for God [??]to be born in Jesus, for redeemtion.

    ALL IN HIM, ALL WITH HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

    So in reality Mary is Jesus' Spirit[??] born first as a woman

    45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

    Matthew 13: Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

    Jesus the first born of every creature in the origin of species of the evolution system[??]. THEN:

    He was the first born as human like beast [??](the first devil in flesh)
    due to the extinction of this beast.

    He was the first born as man without a soul[??}

    He was the first born as a living soul,

    He was the first born as the first sinful man in flesh and blood in Adam [??](US)

    He was the first born of every select[??] from Abel onwards

    He was the first born in an  immaculate flesh [??]in MARY.( recovering EVE first)

    He was the first born, AND THE LAST  man as SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN

    WHICH MEANS: HE WAS BORN BOTH with JESUS’ SPIRIT]??],AND SATAN’S[??] IN HIS SOUL IN ORDER TO BE IN ALL THNGS LIKE US BUT WITHOUT ANY CONTAMINATION OF THE REBELLIOUS SIN,TO DESTROY HIM [??]AND ERADICATE HIM ENTIRELY FROM CREATION

    John 1:5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    Hebrews 2:14 Therefore because the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner hath been partaker of the same: that, through death, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil: 15 And might deliver them, who through the fear of death were all their lifetime subject to servitude. 16 For no where doth he take hold of the angels: but of the seed of Abraham he taketh hold. 17 Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful priest before God, that he might be a propitiation for the sins of the people.

    He was the last to die in Satan's Grip like humans in His time, to be taken[??] to hell, and the FIRST BORN from the dead as a spiritual flesh substance[??] for God the Father to abide within.

    IN THE IDENTICAL SYSTEM OF EVOLUTION[??] IN THE PROCESS OF THE ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES

    REV: 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega…”
     

    Seems like a load of speculative cobblers to me.


    Nick,

    I said ,specifically.

    With only the question mark,and nothing specified,it could mean any thing.

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    April 7, 2012 at 3:29 pm#290672
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,08:48)

    Quote (carmel @ April 07 2012,07:13)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 06 2012,17:18)
    Hi Jammin,

    Should I consider your post an answer of “YES” then?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    Should I consider your post an answer of “YES” then?

    edj,

    COUNT ME AS WELL.

    YES MARY IS BOTH THE MOTHER OF THE SON OF GOD AND THE SON OF MAN

    THE SON OF GOD CAME FROM HEAVEN THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND THE SON OF MAN THROUGH MARY'S FLESH,BUT IN HIS SOULS HAD ALSO SATAN'S  TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HUMANS IN HIS TIME IN ORDER TO DESTROY HIM.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES


    OK Charles,

    I will count you in: now answer the question that I asked.

    Are you suggesting that Mary is(?) the mother of God?

    MARY IS BOTH THE MOTHER OF THE SON OF GOD AND
    THE SON OF MAN IS NOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


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    Are you suggesting that Mary is(?) the mother of God?

    Edj,

    OK, Mary s the mother of Jesus as GOD/MAN

    Happy??

    peace and love in Jesus the true God

    Charles

    April 7, 2012 at 4:18 pm#290692
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 08 2012,02:29)
    Edj,

    OK, Mary s the mother of Jesus as GOD/MAN

    Happy??

    peace and love in Jesus the true God

    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    What does “GOD/MAN” mean?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    April 7, 2012 at 9:22 pm#290741
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 08 2012,03:18)

    Quote (carmel @ April 08 2012,02:29)
    Edj,

    OK, Mary s the mother of Jesus as GOD/MAN

    Happy??

    peace and love in Jesus the true God

    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    What does  “GOD/MAN”  mean?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Quote
    What does  “GOD/MAN”  mean?

    Jesus was both God through the Holy Spirit,and man through Mary's Flesh( His own spirit substance)and also as I said in Nick's post He had both the Holy Spirit,and Satan's in His soul. This to be in all things like the humans in His time in order to destroy him. So the term SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN IS PURPOSELY APPLIED.

    HE REMOVED SATAN'S SPIRIT IN BAPTIZM AND OFFICIALLY DECLARED SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN BUT CLEAN.

    AFTER THIS EXTRAORDINARY EVENT SATAN PROTESTED AND A WAR ERUPTED IN HEAVEN,AND SATAN WAS THROWN INTO HELL LIKE A LIGHTNING.

    THE PREGNANCY WAS PRE DEMONSTRTED IN REBECAH'S PREGNANCY.

    GENESIS 25:And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to inquire of the LORD.

    23And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

    CHARLES

    April 7, 2012 at 10:03 pm#290749
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 08 2012,02:19)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,08:51)
    Hi C,
    You say and claim scriptural backing for.
    I will question some with ??s

    “You and me are the rebellious angels transformed into matter through Jesus' Spirit in Creation.[??]

    Angels as creatures has two spiritual substances, not like us with a matter substance as well.[??]

    These two spirit creatures[??], therefore, as soon as they rebelled had to be separated. Similar to what will happen to us after death. So, the spiritual substance were formed demons[??] and were sent to the depth of hell, Lucifer’s spirit became Satan[??]. The other substance their spiritual bodies[??], originated through Jesus' Spirit[??] were transformed [??]into matter in creation in order to establish the flesh substance. So these were the pre-Adamites  created through nature with an evil spirit and a flesh and blood body only, beast like humans without a soul[??]. When the time was fulfilled, God transformed this beast[??] (Lucifer’s)due to its extinction the process of evolution, into the first created man [??],and through Jesus Spirit[??] furnished him  with a soul in Adam as the first living soul.
    This soul was required  to act as an intellect [??]and also a general mediator between the spirit from the Holy Spirit[??], (replacing Satan’s)and a clean flesh from earth the origin of the rebel. The Holy Spirit, needed the soul since he[??] was too powerful to abide in this kind of flesh body
    Adam’s( Lucifer as the cause of the rebel)  evil concept[??] had to be tested to verify, whether he is still within the same pride evil concept.

    He sinned through Satan's (ex Lucifer)intervention through Eve his subject and the Holy Spirit became inactive[??] simply because Satan's spirit entered and replaced[??] The Holy Spirit in his soul.

    Humans became sons of Satans, the property of Satan, in spirit, soul and body, practically back to square one LUCIFER BUT AS THE FIRST EVIL HUMAN[??] INSTEAD OF ANGEL.

    Ephisians 2:3 ong whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were BY NATURE THECHILDREN OF WRATH, EVEN AS OTHERS.

    It had to be Jesus Spirit the only pure substance transformed into the flesh of Mary[??] through the descending of the angels [??](Abel the first ever)to create the appropriate genealogy  through nature like us. This was followed by Seth, the fathers, and prophets in order for God [??]to be born in Jesus, for redeemtion.

    ALL IN HIM, ALL WITH HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

    So in reality Mary is Jesus' Spirit[??] born first as a woman

    45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

    Matthew 13: Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

    Jesus the first born of every creature in the origin of species of the evolution system[??]. THEN:

    He was the first born as human like beast [??](the first devil in flesh)
    due to the extinction of this beast.

    He was the first born as man without a soul[??}

    He was the first born as a living soul,

    He was the first born as the first sinful man in flesh and blood in Adam [??](US)

    He was the first born of every select[??] from Abel onwards

    He was the first born in an  immaculate flesh [??]in MARY.( recovering EVE first)

    He was the first born, AND THE LAST  man as SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN

    WHICH MEANS: HE WAS BORN BOTH with JESUS’ SPIRIT]??],AND SATAN’S[??] IN HIS SOUL IN ORDER TO BE IN ALL THNGS LIKE US BUT WITHOUT ANY CONTAMINATION OF THE REBELLIOUS SIN,TO DESTROY HIM [??]AND ERADICATE HIM ENTIRELY FROM CREATION

    John 1:5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    Hebrews 2:14 Therefore because the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner hath been partaker of the same: that, through death, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil: 15 And might deliver them, who through the fear of death were all their lifetime subject to servitude. 16 For no where doth he take hold of the angels: but of the seed of Abraham he taketh hold. 17 Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful priest before God, that he might be a propitiation for the sins of the people.

    He was the last to die in Satan's Grip like humans in His time, to be taken[??] to hell, and the FIRST BORN from the dead as a spiritual flesh substance[??] for God the Father to abide within.

    IN THE IDENTICAL SYSTEM OF EVOLUTION[??] IN THE PROCESS OF THE ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES

    REV: 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega…”
     

    Seems like a load of speculative cobblers to me.


    Nick,

    I said ,specifically.

    With only the question mark,and nothing specified,it could mean any thing.

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Hi Charles,
    It means you need to find SHOW some scriptural support for these matters otherwise they remain your opinion.

    April 7, 2012 at 10:04 pm#290750
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Charles,
    Jesus was not a god.

    We can follow him into the same relationship he had with his and our God.
    God indwelled him fully and can also indwell us in him.

    April 8, 2012 at 4:22 am#290789
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,09:04)
    Hi Charles,
    Jesus was not a god.

    We can follow him into the same relationship he had with his and our God.
    God indwelled him fully and can also indwell us in him.


    John 20:25-28

    25 The other followers kept telling Thomas, “We saw the Lord.”

    But Thomas said, “I will not believe it until I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were and put my hand into his side.”

    26 A week later the followers were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. The doors were locked, but Jesus came in and stood right in the middle of them. He said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand here in my side. Stop being an unbeliever and believe.”

    28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God”

    i believe what thomas said. Jesus is Lord and God

    April 8, 2012 at 4:32 am#290794
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    No he understood what Jesus Christ taught in Jn14.
    He developed spiritual eyes and spiritual ears
    He SAW and HEARD his Lord AND his GOD

    God was in him reconciling the world to Himself[2cor5.19]

    P.s I appreciate you entering into dialogue on other verses now

    April 8, 2012 at 1:09 pm#290803
    jammin
    Participant

    nick,

    thomas said, MY LORD AND MY GOD.

    i believe that.

    April 8, 2012 at 3:22 pm#290812
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,09:04)
    Hi Charles,
    Jesus was not a god.

    We can follow him into the same relationship he had with his and our God.
    God indwelled him fully and can also indwell us in him.


    Quote
    God indwelled him fully and can also indwell us in him

    Nick,

    you are contradicting yourself.

    YOU SAID:God indwelled him fully

    God would only indwell in a visisble substance equal to him in every sense.

    If Jesus carried Almighty God ,WITHIN HIS SOUL he was only a flesh CONTAINER.

    The spirit gives life the flesh counts for nothing.

    We judge according to the flesh,and our judge is corrupted.

    If we say Jesus is not God we deny the Father in the presence of Jesus.JESUS GLORIFIED THE FATHER IN HIS PRESENCE

    The Father through the Holy Spirit was one with the Son Jesus, the Father spoke through Jesus.

    You people are insulting God Almighty by limiting His power, and are stating THAT GOD IS NOT CAPABLE TO BECOME MAN.

    THIS IS SATAN'S BELEIFE

    THIS IS THE REASON THAT THE ANTICHRIST HAS TO COME AND WOULD BE DESTROYED IN FRONT OF ALL LVING CREATURES TO PROVE THAT JESUS IS GOD ALMGHTY IN FLESH, BECAUSE HE WOULD COME NOT AS MERCY,BUT AS JUDGE IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER.

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS THE TRUE GOD

    CHARLES

    April 8, 2012 at 3:56 pm#290816
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,09:04)
    Hi Charles,
    Jesus was not a god.

    We can follow him into the same relationship he had with his and our God.
    God indwelled him fully and can also indwell us in him.


    Quote
    God indwelled him fully and can also indwell us in him.

    NICK,

    We could achieve union with God through the Holy Spirit from Jesus.

    Jesus was born through the conception by the Holy Spirit in Mary's body( Jesus Spirit transformed through nature) Through baptism Jesus received the Spirit of the Father through the Holy Spirit. So within His Soul He had the Father.

    WE are from hell Fire.

    Jesus from the Almighty God Spirit

    We are born filthy from filthy.

    Jesus was born immaculate from an immaculate.

    Only God Almighty in Jesus'(3 YEARS) temporary substance could achieve this for us.

    Then He destroyed it completely by emptying all His blood on earth to recreate it anew with His Spirit.

    NATURE IS GOD'S MATERIALIZATION IN JESUS' SPIRIT.

    HE RESURRECTED COMPLETELY UNITED ONE SUBSTANCE THE FATHER'S SPIRIT AND JESUS' BODY FOR ETERNITY.

    AS SOON AS GOD RECOVER ALL THE EVIL SPIRITS BACK JESUS WOULD ACHIEVE HIS BODY IN ALL HIS CREATURES. AND GOD WOULD BE ALL IN ALL.

    ONE UNFATHOMABLE MAJESTIC MYSTICAL BODY OF GOD IN THE ENTIRE CEATION.

    THE KINGDOM OF THE SON OF GOD HE LOVES.

    SPIRIT OUT OF A SPIRIT.

    LIKE HUMAN OUT OF A HUMAN

    LIKE ANIMAL OUT OF AN ANIMAL

    LIKE TREE OUT OF A TREE

    LIKE A MINERAL OUT OF A MINERAL

    LIKE FIRE OUT OF A FIRE

    LIKE LIGHT OUT OF A LIGHT

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS THE TRUE GOD IN FLESH

    CHARLES

    April 8, 2012 at 4:15 pm#290822
    carmel
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,15:32)
    Hi Jammin,
    No he understood what Jesus Christ taught in Jn14.
    He developed spiritual eyes and spiritual ears
    He SAW and HEARD his Lord AND his GOD

    God was in him reconciling the world to Himself[2cor5.19]

    P.s I appreciate you entering into dialogue on other verses now


    Quote
     He SAW and HEARD his Lord AND his GOD

       

    Nick,

    read

    And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

    THE MOTHER OF MY LORD

    THE MOTHER OF GOD IN JESUS

    Quote
    God was in him reconciling the world to Himself

    You did not understant scriptures.

    God reconciled all onto Him, not because He was in Jesus!!

    God reconciled all onto Him because He created all IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.

    So as soon as He was baptised, He first reconciled all Himself ( Spirit, soul and body)to the Father.By eliminating Satan's spirit from Him, and received the Father's spirit in full.

    Matthew 3:15 For so it becometh us to fulfill all justice …

    As soon as He died He reconciled our entire creation and heaven's to the Father by His union with the Father through His resurrection by the Holy Spirit from the Father.

    I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE FROM ETERNITY TO ETERNITY

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS THE TRUE GOD IN MYSTICAL BODY

    CHARLES

    April 8, 2012 at 7:00 pm#290845
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Charles,
    You say.you are contradicting yourself.

    YOU SAID:God indwelled him fully [col 1.19]

    God would only indwell in a visisble substance equal to him in every sense [traditional theology not truth]  

    If Jesus carried Almighty God ,WITHIN HIS SOUL he was only a flesh CONTAINER.[souls are not flesh-self contradiction]

    The spirit gives life the flesh counts for nothing.

    We judge according to the flesh,and our judge is corrupted.[judgement?]

    If we say Jesus is not God we deny the Father in the presence of Jesus.JESUS GLORIFIED THE FATHER IN HIS PRESENCE [So how does that make him God?]

    The Father through the Holy Spirit was one with the Son Jesus, the Father spoke through Jesus.[yes]

    You people are insulting God Almighty by limiting His power, and are stating THAT GOD IS NOT CAPABLE TO BECOME MAN.[theological theory – not truth].

    THIS IS SATAN'S BELEIFE [false accusation]

    THIS IS THE REASON THAT THE ANTICHRIST HAS TO COME AND WOULD BE DESTROYED IN FRONT OF ALL LVING CREATURES[??] TO PROVE THAT JESUS IS GOD ALMGHTY IN FLESH [??], BECAUSE HE WOULD COME NOT AS MERCY,BUT AS JUDGE IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER[Jesus Christ is the judge of men].

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS THE TRUE GOD

    [YOU PREACH HUMAN RELIGION  My Word is truth-choose you master]

    April 8, 2012 at 7:10 pm#290846
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Charles,
    You say
    “We could achieve union with God through the Holy Spirit from Jesus.

    Jesus was born through the conception by the Holy Spirit in Mary's body( Jesus Spirit transformed through nature{NOT WRITTEN]) Through baptism Jesus received the Spirit of the Father through the Holy Spirit. So within His Soul He had the Father.

    WE are from hell Fire[SATAN IS THE FATHER OF NATURAL MEN jn 8.41].

    Jesus from the Almighty God Spirit[Jesus CHRIST]

    We are born filthy from filthy.

    Jesus was born immaculate from an immaculate [JESUS was an Overcomer -rev].

    Only God Almighty in Jesus'(3 YEARS) temporary substance [theology term]could achieve this for us.

    Then He destroyed it completely by emptying all His blood on earth to recreate it anew with His Spirit.[God raised him]

    NATURE IS GOD'S MATERIALIZATION IN JESUS' SPIRIT{???]

    HE RESURRECTED COMPLETELY UNITED ONE SUBSTANCE THE FATHER'S SPIRIT AND JESUS' BODY FOR ETERNITY [body??].

    AS SOON AS GOD RECOVER ALL THE EVIL SPIRITS BACK[They are destined for destruction] JESUS WOULD ACHIEVE HIS BODY IN ALL HIS CREATURES. AND GOD WOULD BE ALL IN ALL[He will be in those in Christ].

    ONE UNFATHOMABLE MAJESTIC MYSTICAL BODY OF GOD IN THE ENTIRE CEATION.

    THE KINGDOM OF THE SON OF GOD HE LOVES.

    SPIRIT OUT OF A SPIRIT.

    LIKE HUMAN OUT OF A HUMAN

    LIKE ANIMAL OUT OF AN ANIMAL

    LIKE TREE OUT OF A TREE

    LIKE A MINERAL OUT OF A MINERAL

    LIKE FIRE OUT OF A FIRE

    LIKE LIGHT OUT OF A LIGHT

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS THE TRUE GOD IN FLESH[He is the Son of God .He has a God]

    CHARLES “

    April 8, 2012 at 7:15 pm#290847
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Charles,
    You say
    “Nick,

    read

    And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

    THE MOTHER OF MY LORD

    THE MOTHER OF GOD IN JESUS[Catholic theology]

    Quote
    God was in him reconciling the world to Himself

    You did not understant scriptures.

    God reconciled all onto Him, not because He was in Jesus!![reconciling some]

    God reconciled all onto Him because He created all IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM[ the remnant will be in Him]

    So as soon as He was baptised, He first reconciled all Himself ( Spirit, soul and body)to the Father [He was the one blessed by His greater Father] .By eliminating Satan's spirit from Him[He said 'The devil HAS NOTHING IN ME”], and received the Father's spirit in full.

    Matthew 3:15 For so it becometh us to fulfill all justice …

    As soon as He died He reconciled our entire creation and heaven's to the Father by His union with the Father through His resurrection by the Holy Spirit from the Father.[No all have th opportunity but all will not be saved]

    I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE FROM ETERNITY TO ETERNITY

    PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS THE TRUE GOD IN MYSTICAL BODY

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