Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

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It seems that most who call themselves Christian belong to one of two camps. Jesus is either God or a mere created man. This debate has been raging since the days of Athanasius of Alexandria and Arius.

What the does the Bible say? Well it is quite clear on who Jesus is and his origin. Let’s take a look at what is written.

Scripture says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and when Jesus returns, his name is called ‘The Word of God’.  (John 1 & Revelation 19:13)

It says that God created all things through THE WORD and nothing was created without him. (John 1:3)

It says that the universe was created through THE SON and he is before all things. (Colossians 1:15-17)

It says that all things were created through JESUS CHRIST. (Hebrews 2:9)

This is what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, the one named: ‘The Word of God’ who was with God in the beginning.

He emptied himself, took upon himself our nature, was obedient to his God and our God, died for our sins as it is written, and is now in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

Jesus is not God in the flesh, rather the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us. He was with God in the beginning. He was the first to be with God.

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  • #813725
    Ed J
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    “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject
    unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Cor 15:28)

    Good verse Pierre,

    Why would anyone need to be in subject unto him at any time,
    if he is just an ordinary man (as those on this board claim)?

    Again good verse Pierre!

    Note: But that does not make him “Ho Logos”!

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #813726
    terraricca
    Participant

    Ed

    thanks,but Jesus his THE LOGOS for God speaks through him this is why he his called the LOGOS

    #813727
    Ed J
    Participant

    Pierre,

    “The Word” of God is Spirit. (ref. John 6:63)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #813728
    terraricca
    Participant

    Ed

    the written words are spirit to be understood in the wisdom of God, but THE WORD ,his God’s first creation and the only true image of God ,just has Paul and John say it, when the WORD of God went to the prophets to speak to them ,how could he be the speech that was spoken in words ?

    when God sent him down to earth to save us ,was he not a being ? John say so ,why can you not believe him ?

    #813729
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terrarica,

    Are saying spirit means person?

    #813730
    terraricca
    Participant

    Kerwin

    I have answered you this question before ;

    NO,NO,written/spoken words are spirit for they are instructions/guidelines/judgments/descriptions/laws/rules/and the likes

    so by no mean can those words be a person ,

    but when a person is given the name WORD this would refer to a person

    just like a person called “ROCK” would you say he is not a person but a rock ? be serious will you

    #813731
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terrarica,

    I am asking you about the meaning of spirit in Proverbs 16:19. You quoted from a version translated the word spirit to one and I asked if you believe spirit meant person in that context.

    Proverbs 29:23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

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    A man’s pride shall bring him low:
    but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

    #813732
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Pierre,

    …..“God is Spirit” (John 4:24)
    The Words are Spirit (John 6:63)
    “The Word” was God (John 1:1)

    Why don’t you get this? – Oh yea that right, religious brainwashing! (Col.2:21-22)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #813733
    Ed J
    Participant

    In the beginning “The Word” was God (John 1:1)
    “I the LORD, I change not” (Mal 3:6)

    “The Word” is still GOD!

    “a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Tim 2:15)

    #813734
    terraricca
    Participant

    ED/K

    you seem not to want to understand truth ,you like your opinions so be it ,

    Kerwin

    the humble spirit of a man his the same as a proud man spirit it comes from the soul of the person ,but is not the person until the person becomes that spirit ,do you understand what i saying ?

    we make choices and when we apply those choices we become them ,this is why Satan became satan he was not always satan but the spirit of wickedness got in him and he became wicked ,

    #813735
    Ed J
    Participant

    Religion has lied to you, Jesus is not “The Word”

    #813736
    Miia
    Participant

    Religion has lied to you, Jesus is not “The Word”

    Knowing about God is not having a personal relationship with him. Anyone can talk about God.

    In him all things hold together, and you say he is not The Word?

    #813745
    terraricca
    Participant

    Ed

    Religion has lied to you, Jesus is not “The Word”
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    it is the scriptures that says the Jesus is THE WORD “of God not religion ;religion is more inclined like you are saying Jesus is not the WORD

    #813749
    kerwin
    Participant

    Miia,

    Religion has lied to you, Jesus is not “The Word”

    Knowing about God is not having a personal relationship with him. Anyone can talk about God.

    In him all things hold together, and you say he is not The Word?

    Christians do not have a personal relationship with God since they go through Jesus Christ. A personal relationship does not involve a mediator.

    We can have a personal relationship with his Spirit and in that way be unified with God and Jesus as well as those who also have a personal relationship with the Spirit.

    #813750
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terrarica,

    I notice you not quote this hypothetical passage that states Jesus is the word. I have never found such a passage.

    The closest you can get is John 1:14 which states the word was made flesh. Flesh is made of flesh even as Jesus was made of Mary, the seed of David. So it is correct to say the word is Jesus. In even stating I am concluding the flesh being spoken of is the specific human Jesus. Animals are also refereed to as flesh.

    #813751
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terraricca,

    ED/K

    you seem not to want to understand truth ,you like your opinions so be it ,

    Kerwin

    the humble spirit of a man his the same as a proud man spirit it comes from the soul of the person ,but is not the person until the person becomes that spirit ,do you understand what i saying ?

    we make choices and when we apply those choices we become them ,this is why Satan became satan he was not always satan but the spirit of wickedness got in him and he became wicked ,

    I do not know where you are coming from in Scripture and I do not see where you answered my question.

    The question is do you believe the word spirit in Proverbs 16:19?

    It is a yes and no question though maybe or I do not know also works.

    #813752
    terraricca
    Participant

    Kerwin
    Terrarica,

    I notice you not quote this hypothetical passage that states Jesus is the word. I have never found such a passage.

    The closest you can get is John 1:14 which states the word was made flesh. Flesh is made of flesh even as Jesus was made of Mary, the seed of David. So it is correct to say the word is Jesus. In even stating I am concluding the flesh being spoken of is the specific human Jesus. Animals are also refereed to as flesh.
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    the day you will address all the scriptures that T8 as shown on this introduction tread ;you will not have any clue of what you are talking about with Jesus Christ the son of God ,until then ;

    #813753
    terraricca
    Participant

    Kerwin

    I do not know where you are coming from in Scripture and I do not see where you answered my question.

    The question is do you believe the word spirit in Proverbs 16:19?

    It is a yes and no question though maybe or I do not know also works.
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    the simple truth is that I have answered you but you cannot understand what I am saying for you don’t want the truth ,you want your delusion to stick

    #813754
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terrarica,

    I am having a headache and it seems my grammar is suffering in response.

    I am sorry I did not include all the words needed for my question to be understood. I have stated it twice before and believe both times I included all the words.

    #813755
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terrarica,

    t8 like you, fails to understand the unity. If he and you did not then you would come to the correct understanding of numerous passages that teach us about the unity and Jesus’s role in it. In your case it may be because you do not understand the Spirit.

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