Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

It seems that most who call themselves Christian belong to one of two camps. Jesus is either God or a mere created man. This debate has been raging since the days of Athanasius of Alexandria and Arius.

What the does the Bible say? Well it is quite clear on who Jesus is and his origin. Let’s take a look at what is written.

Scripture says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and when Jesus returns, his name is called ‘The Word of God’. (John 1 & Revelation 19:13)

It says that God created all things through THE WORD and nothing was created without him. (John 1:3)

It says that the universe was created through THE SON and he is before all things. (Colossians 1:15-17)

It says that all things were created through JESUS CHRIST. (Hebrews 2:9)

This is what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, the one named: ‘The Word of God’ who was with God in the beginning.

He emptied himself, took upon himself our nature, was obedient to his God and our God, died for our sins as it is written, and is now in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

Jesus is not God in the flesh, rather the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us. He was with God in the beginning. He was the first to be with God.

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May 5, 2016 at 9:06 am#813478
GeneBalthrop
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TERRARICCA. ….YOU CAN’T retain THE SCRIPTURES BECAUSE YOU have to see them quoted continually, and are unable to bring them to memory or you would not need every single scripture single out to you as a child, who has not the spirit that brings them into his memory. what you do is simply type in something on the computer and when all related scriptures pop up you just copy them, and try to impress us that you are a man of scriptural understanding , thats something anyone can do and not understand a single thing.
THIS REMINDS ME OF WHERE, Isa 28:9, says, “whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to “UNDERSTAND” doctrine? them that are weaned from milk, and drawn from breasts.”
you must first be weaned or this will happen.
Isa 28:13 …”BUT the word of the LORD, was unto them precept upon precept; line upon line; here a little and there a little; that they may go, and FALL BACKWARD, and BE BROKEN, and SNARED, and TAKEN.
WE ALSO ARE TOLD, give “NOT “a “NOVICE”, power in the church, lest being lifted up with PRIDE he fall into the condemation of the devil.
Pierre, is that, not the way it is with you, who post scripture AFTER scripture, AND LACK UNDERSTANDING THEM?, THE MEAT IS FOR THE WEANED , BUT MILK IS FOR BABE’S .
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
May 5, 2016 at 9:11 am#813480
terraricca
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Kerwin
You are once more making an assumption in that you assume “God’s only begotten Son” is Jesus.
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if you can prove me and all here that Jesus IS NOT THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ;THEN I WILL BELIEVE YOU ;with scriptures that is ;not opinions
IF YOU CANNOT DO THAT THEN GO BACK AND STUDY WAY MORE THAN YOU PRESENTLY DO ,
I WAIT NOW FOR YOUR ANSWER ;……………………………………………………………
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May 5, 2016 at 9:18 am#813484
terraricca
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Kerwin
You are once more making an assumption in that you assume “God’s only begotten Son” is Jesus.
I can show it is unlikely to be the Spirit as I know of nowhere it states that it is needful to believe in it.
I cannot do the same with Jesus or the word of God.
I do not believe it cares as the word has been made flesh.
Inn short where is your work?
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you make the assumptions not me ;
and you cannot show me that it is the spirit of Christ that is to be believed in ; if i am wrong show it to me ;…………………………………
were are my deeds ? in everything i do and say ,
May 5, 2016 at 6:46 pm#813553
NickHassan
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Hi t,
anger judgement accusations condemnations
This is what you offer?
May 5, 2016 at 7:02 pm#813556
terraricca
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Nick
are you alway like this indifferent to false teachings ?
and not responding with scriptures and truth ? i guess not
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May 6, 2016 at 7:07 am#813596
NickHassan
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Hi t,
You have not established your own foundation
yet your whole effort is in attacking others.
The ways of God are of love and peace.
May 6, 2016 at 8:31 am#813602
terraricca
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Kerwin
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May 6, 2016 at 10:00 am#813625
kerwin
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Terrarica,
Jesus is figuratively the Son of God just like Israel is figuratively the firstborn son of God.
Exodus 4:22Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
You err when you take it literally.
Can you prove God lied and Israel is not his firstborn son?
May 6, 2016 at 10:06 am#813628
kerwin
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Terrarica,
and you cannot show me that it is the spirit of Christ that is to be believed in
I believe you misunderstood me as I already said I know of nowhere that is stated.
There are a few places where it could be but I am missing the unwritten context. Some of them are fairly solid unless the passage is taken in isolation.
May 6, 2016 at 10:06 am#813629
terraricca
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Kerwin
Jesus is figuratively the Son of God just like Israel is figuratively the firstborn son of God.
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this claim is not found in scriptures you say and claim this ;
to me what is not supported by scriptures his false ,
so find scriptures not your opinions
May 6, 2016 at 10:08 am#813630
terraricca
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Kerwin
Exodus 4:22Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
read the scriptures more carefully and you would understand that this scriptures his literally true and also his a shadow of things to come
May 6, 2016 at 10:09 am#813632
kerwin
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Terraricca,
Actually it is but I forgot to cite it.
Exodus 4:22Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
May 6, 2016 at 10:20 am#813637
kerwin
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Terrarica,
God is not the physical father of Israel though he did father them through his word. He was their mother as well after all both men and women are created in his image.
May 6, 2016 at 10:23 am#813638
NickHassan
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Hi t,
Do you not believe in the Spirit of Christ?
What hope do you have?
May 6, 2016 at 10:31 am#813640
kerwin
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Nick,
I am afraid I was not thinking in that way. Good point!
May 6, 2016 at 11:31 am#813644
terraricca
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N
you don’t know what the spirit of Christ is ,you just blabber your lips
May 6, 2016 at 11:42 am#813647
kerwin
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Terrarica,
Your response to Nick is inappropriate though he too could have chosen to be more diplomatic.
Do you believe there is a Spirit?
May 6, 2016 at 11:47 am#813649
terraricca
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Kerwin
first; you are wrong here ;1)God is not the physical father of Israel though he did father them through his word. He was their mother as well 2)after all both men and women are created in his image.
1) yes he his read the scriptures all of it ;
2) we are not created in the image of God ;but in the image of the image of God = Christ Jesus
Gen;1;27
May 6, 2016 at 1:22 pm#813666
kerwin
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Terrarica,
Jesus is not a female.
The logos is the image, which is why John wrote the word is God.
The image was made Jesus.
May 6, 2016 at 1:27 pm#813667
kerwin
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Teraricca,
Jesus was not yet part of the unity of the Spirit and he yet to be conceived of Mary. The angels were there and were also part of the Unity. The same Unity God is part of. Let “us”, as in the Unity, create man in our own image and likeness. God did the creating and the angels celebrated. The Spirit and the word were also involved in creation as we have already discussed.
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