Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

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It seems that most who call themselves Christian belong to one of two camps. Jesus is either God or a mere created man. This debate has been raging since the days of Athanasius of Alexandria and Arius.

What the does the Bible say? Well it is quite clear on who Jesus is and his origin. Let’s take a look at what is written.

Scripture says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and when Jesus returns, his name is called ‘The Word of God’.  (John 1 & Revelation 19:13)

It says that God created all things through THE WORD and nothing was created without him. (John 1:3)

It says that the universe was created through THE SON and he is before all things. (Colossians 1:15-17)

It says that all things were created through JESUS CHRIST. (Hebrews 2:9)

This is what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, the one named: ‘The Word of God’ who was with God in the beginning.

He emptied himself, took upon himself our nature, was obedient to his God and our God, died for our sins as it is written, and is now in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

Jesus is not God in the flesh, rather the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us. He was with God in the beginning. He was the first to be with God.

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  • #812745
    Ed J
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    Hi Kerwin,

    Nick doesn’t get what you are saying, but I do;
    here is a verse proving what you are trying to say:

    “Create in me a clean heart, O God;
    and renew a right spirit within me.” (Psalms 51:10)

    Good job Kerwin!

    _____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #812746
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    In scripture spirit is sometimes used interchangeably with soul.

    #812761
    terraricca
    Participant

    yeah ask Nick he knows everything ,he his a reborn unbeliever in Jesus words

    #812778
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    Really?

    #812807
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    if you start to interpret the scriptures with your own views then yes you just follow carnal views

    #812816
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    You said:

    The spirit of man returns to God

    The body returns to earth from whence it came.

    Remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return.

    The mind is educated by the Spirit and becomes spiritual able to discern spiritual things.

    The soul seems to remain as is

    You point out to Ed that spirit means “soul” in some contexts and have trouble understanding that as well. I am not sure the spirit that is renewed is the spirit that returns to God.

    This verse is one reason Nicodemus should have already know the lesson Jesus taught.(John 3:10)

    Psalm 51:10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    10
    Create in me a clean heart, O God;
    and renew a right spirit within me.

    That is the words of the a prophet yearning for the age of the new covenant.

    #812817
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The mind is educated by the Spirit and becomes spiritual able to discern spiritual things.

    The soul seems to remain as is

    Yes, but the heart is also taught.

    Hebrews 10:16Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

    #812818
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    Thank you. That verse from Psalms is appropriate.

    #812819
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Good stuff.

    #812824
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Thank you.

    #812842
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi

    you guys ever wonder that there is ;

    the spirit of man

    the spirit of God

    the holy spirit of truth

    the spirit of women

    the spirit of children

    the spirit of the prophets

    the spirit of Christ Jesus

    the spirit of demons

    the spirit of satan

    the spirit of the world

    the spirit of the wickeds

    the spirit of the righteous

    and so on …………………….

    all those really mean something else than just “SPIRIT “

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    #812844
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Are you really this confused?

    #812851
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Terraricca. …..if you truly understood what spirit “is”, you would not say they mean something other then spirit. You do not know it seems what spirits are do you?

    Replace all the words “the spirit of”, with “the mind of”, spirit and mind are interchangeable. It all has to do with how we are “thinking”. Scripture say “the spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the sons of GOD”. THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE “MIND”.

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #812854
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    No the mind is not the spirit.

    #812857
    terraricca
    Participant

    Hi all apostate

    the day you can read the scriptures the way it was written we will talk ,you just don’t like the truth in scriptures you have to make your own version of it ,

    I cannot do that

    #812878
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB

    Eph 4.23

    And be renewed in the SPIRIT of your MIND.

    It will not work to call them the same

    #812880
    terraricca
    Participant

    G

    you are lost ,

    #812881
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    We hope you get sick of judging and condemning all in sundry and get back to learning soon.

    #812887
    kerwin
    Participant

    terrarica,

    They actually mean “spirit” but other words are synonymous to a degree.

    It has many meanings and more than one of them may apply to any passage it is mentioned.

    “natural” on the other hand is deceptive at times since it is a synonym that hides aspects of the truth when the actual word is soulish.

    I think the use of it and like words to translate the equivalent of soulish is due to the translators objection to the idea beasts have souls.

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    #812890
    terraricca
    Participant

    Kerwin

    the context will in fact tell you what the word spirit is ,

    but you cannot be carnally inclined ,meaning that your mind and heart have to in focus to the things of God and not to the things of the earth ,

    it say ;that God is spirit and we must worship (communicate)him in spirit but also in truth ,

    those are the key factors ,

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