Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

Baby Jesus

It seems that most who call themselves Christian belong to one of two camps. Jesus is either God or a mere created man. This debate has been raging since the days of Athanasius of Alexandria and Arius.

What the does the Bible say? Well it is quite clear on who Jesus is and his origin. Let’s take a look at what is written.

Scripture says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and when Jesus returns, his name is called ‘The Word of God’.  (John 1 & Revelation 19:13)

It says that God created all things through THE WORD and nothing was created without him. (John 1:3)

It says that the universe was created through THE SON and he is before all things. (Colossians 1:15-17)

It says that all things were created through JESUS CHRIST. (Hebrews 2:9)

This is what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, the one named: ‘The Word of God’ who was with God in the beginning.

He emptied himself, took upon himself our nature, was obedient to his God and our God, died for our sins as it is written, and is now in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

Jesus is not God in the flesh, rather the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us. He was with God in the beginning. He was the first to be with God.

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  • #812670
    GeneBalthrop
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    Kerwin, both YOU AND Nick are right in what you both are saying to EDJ. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #812673
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    Jesus teaches us to seek God’s righteousness and God does not son.

    Being satisfied before you have reached the goal is loosing the race.

    We are to run as if to win the goal.(1 Corinthians 9:23-25)

    #812677
    GeneBalthrop
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    EDJ, the word never ACTUALLY became flesh, it is spirit and came “into” the flesh man Jesus, at the Jordan, NICK is apsolutely right on this. IMO

    If you can’t see that then you haven’t even begun to know truth . You then are unable to see and believe scripture, that says, “if the SPIRIT OF HIM, that raised THE ANOINTED JESUS FROM, the dead DWELL “IN” YOU, “IT” shall “ALSO” quicken your “MORTAL” BODY. Just like it did JESUS OUR lord and more important our brother.

    peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #812680
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    ‘A body you have provided for me’

    also means the same.

     

    Jesus was the first man who fulfilled the law and overcame sin in the flesh.

    He was clean such that God could use him to house the Word.

    The first suitable temple for the Spirit to indwelling

    #812681
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Jesus symbolised the work of God by cleansing the forecourt of the temple in Jerusalem of merchants.

    Man belongs to God and the second Adam, Jesus, fulfilled the plan of God.

    We have the much easier task of following him.

    #812688
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    The verse from Hebrews says nothing about Bethlehem.

    Hi Nick,

    “Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,
    he(Christ) also himself likewise took part of the same;” (Heb 2:14)
    Christ also took part in flesh and blood – he was born in Bethlehem.

    __________________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #812689
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed,

    Nicodemus was not a spirit – so there is NO Nicodemus the spirit in that verse; PERIOD!

    By those words you deny that a man must be born of Spirit.

    No

    #812690
    Ed J
    Participant

    The outward Nicodemus is the flesh and the inward Nicodemus is the spirit. (2 Corinthians 4:16)

    You want to be a teacher so you should know these things already.

    Hi Kerwin,

    “For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.” (2 Cor 4:16)

    I have to constantly unravel your ‘spin’ – 2Corinthians 4:16 is about those who have already been born again.
    Jesus was telling Nicodemus: that he(Nicodemus) too had to be born again to see the “Kingdom of God”.

    ___________________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #812691
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed.

    Where are the post numbers located?

    On the upper right side of every post (next to “REPLY”)

    #812692
    Ed J
    Participant

    EDJ, the word never ACTUALLY became flesh, it is spirit and came “into” the flesh man Jesus, at the Jordan, NICK is apsolutely right on this. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    Gene, I agree that “The Word” became flesh at Jordan

    #812693
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    ‘A body you have provided for me’

    also means the same.

    Hi Nick,

    Yes that is also a confirmation of Micah 5:2 – good job!

    ___________________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #812697
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    You hold fast to ONE verse and yet claim that your doctrine can be built on it.

    You think you see vague reflections in other ones

    Scripture understanding requires higher standards than you rely on and teach with.

    And it is a pity you cannot grasp the full meaning of that verse.

    #812720
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    Thank you.

    #812721
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    Hi Kerwin,

    “For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.” (2 Cor 4:16)

    I have to constantly unravel your ‘spin’ – 2Corinthians 4:16 is about those who have already been born again.
    Jesus was telling Nicodemus: that he(Nicodemus) too had to be born again to see the “Kingdom of God”.

    I am not sure where you see any spin. Jesus was telling Nicodemus that his inward Nicodemus, aka. Nicodemus the spirit, had to be born again.

    I was using 2Corinthians 4:16 to point out a man is dual nature with there being a man of flesh and a man of spirit. Both are united into one man. It is the verbal construct that I use much as Paul does in 2 Corinthians though I am speaking about the inward man prior to receiving the Spirit of God and Paul is speaking afterwards.

    #812722
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    The new man is only found in those united with Christ.

    Nicodemus was yet outside of that rebirth and was shown the gate.

     

    It is no longer I that liveth but Christ that liveth in me.

    Paul struggled in labour with those who were slow to be changed from within.

    gal 4

    #812726
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The inward man is the spirit of a man and after a individual has received the Spirit of God it is constantly being renewed as that believer matures in Christ.

    The new man is when it is full renewed and the old man is when it has not been conceived of the Spirit.

    2 Corinthians 4:16Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

    The “renewed day by day” sounds like either growing more mature each day or being conceived and growing old and then needing to be renewed to grow old the next day. The first option is consistent with Scripture while the second option is not.

    Ephesians 4:20-24Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    This is two extremes with nothing in the middle. The old man is he that walks according to the flesh and the new man is he that walks according to the Spirit.

    #812731
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    No

    Scripture does not speak of the original man as one to be renovated.

    Christ lives in us and we change inwardly to become like him.

    You must be transformed by renewal of your mind.

    #812741
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The only difference between renew and renovate is the context they are used in.

    A spirit is not renovated as it is not a physical context. A human body can be renovated because it is physical.

    The old man might be renewed to become the new man as the only difference is that one walks according to the flesh and the other walks according to the Spirit. If the old and new are only to indicate states of the inward man then the renewal would be as the inward man learns to walk more and more by the Spirit each day.

    Its the renewal of the spirit of your mind.

    Paul speaks of the fleshly mind in these verses.

    Colossians 2:18-19Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

    #812742
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    The spirit of man returns to God

    The body returns to earth from whence it came.

    Remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return.

    The mind is educated by the Spirit and becomes spiritual able to discern spiritual things.

    The soul seems to remain as is

     

    #812744
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi N

    Hi T,

    You hold fast to ONE verse and yet claim that your doctrine can be built on it.

    You think you see vague reflections in other ones

    Scripture understanding requires higher standards than you rely on and teach with.

    And it is a pity you cannot grasp the full meaning of that verse.
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    wrong ,you do that ;I keep telling you that the whole bible as to in accord with it .

    the only standard that God needs to make us understand his scriptures is living in the truth ,and this you are not willing to do ,

    sad you cannot grasp the real meaning of the whole scriptures for that would be trully the SPIRIT OF JESUS THE CHRIST ,

    per ups another time

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