Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

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August 17, 2021 at 8:56 am#872870
carmel
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Hi Mike,
YOU: GOD IS BIGGER THAN THE SON…
Two persons. Only one of them is THE God. The other is THE God’s holy servant, Jesus.
Mike, YOU ARE BRILLIANT! JUST MESSING WITH YOU!
Now just read what your human reasoning says:
WHEN WE SAY:
A SKYSCRAPER IS BIGGER THAN A HOUSE!
WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!
WHEN WE SAY:
THE ATLANTIC OCEAN IS BIGGER THAN THE MEDITERRANE SEE!
WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!
WHEN WE SAY:
A GIANT IS BIGGER THAN A DWARF!
WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!
WHEN WE SAY:
A WHALE IS BIGGER THAN A DOLPHIN!
WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!
NOW TELL ME MIKE!
WHEN WE SAY:
GOD IS BIGGER THAN THE SON…
WHAT THE HELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
SINCE WE DON’T KNOW WHAT GOD IS!
And, not even SCRIPTURE ITSELF KNOW WHAT GOD IS!
FOR GOD’S SAKE!
I TELL YOU SOMETHING Mike, WITH THE HOPE THAT YOUR PERCEPTION REGARDING GOD WOULD BE IMPROVED, AND THIS IS NOT FROM ME, BUT FROM ABOVE:
NOT FROM SATAN! READ:
GOD IS A STATE!
A STATE OF LOVE!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ
August 17, 2021 at 9:04 am#872871
Lightenup
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Proclaimer,
Proclaimer said to Berean: Using that measuring stick, then angels and men are also God. Theos without the definite article just like John 1:1c means a qualitative interpretation rather than a literal one identifying a person.
Using your measuring stick, Jesus is most certainly literally God and Lord.
Notice the definite article where Thomas says “the Lord of me and the God of me” in the interlinear below. He is referring to Jesus, btw.
Jesus Appears to Thomas, John 20:27-29
…27Then Jesus said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!” 29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
So no matter what you want to say about John 1:1, John 20:28 is clearly referring to Jesus as Thomas’ God and Lord with the definite article. Not to mention that the Father refers to the Son as YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of His hands from Heb 1.

August 17, 2021 at 9:10 am#872872
Lightenup
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Proclaimer:
You said: God has divine nature, but many doctrines argue that divine nature has God
Me: Name a doctrine that says that.
August 17, 2021 at 9:52 am#872874
Proclaimer
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Proclaimer:
You said: God has divine nature, but many doctrines argue that divine nature has God
Me: Name a doctrine that says that.
The Trinity. “Three persons, one substance”. Thus the substance is the one true God (He) and three persons (they) qualify as being in the club. The Binity is similar, but without the third member. Further, there are many takes on the Trinity.
August 17, 2021 at 9:59 am#872875
Proclaimer
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Proclaimer
And the Word WAS “THEOS”
The context, you admit it means “DIVINE”
Now, HEBREWS 1: 3, HOW ARE YOU INTERPRETING?
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,
DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS ACCORDING TO HEBREWS 1 EXCEPT THE SON OF GOD?
THE BRIGTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON (ESSENCE)
Everything you say here doesn’t make him God himself. It makes him divine. It makes him the image of God. The only begotten Son of God. The Word of God.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
The truth is this. He came from God. He is the Father after all and Jesus is his Son.
August 17, 2021 at 10:04 am#872876
Berean
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To all,
If we do not believe that 1) Jesus is the One who is called by John “The Word” in the beginning, and
2) that he was God (v.1), we are on quicksand and we will not be able to believe that he created all things (v.2)
IF JESUS IS NOT GOD (John1-Heb.1: 3) IN THE BEGINNING AND NOTHING CREATED ANYTHING (John1: 3), HE CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO BE MADE FLESH (John1: 14) and TO BE OUR SAVIOR BY RECONCILING US WITH THE FATHER TO RECEIVE THE FORGIVENESS OF OUR SINS AND GIVE US ETERNAL LIFE.
IF HE IS NOT GOD IN THE BEGINNING ACCORDING TO JOHN 1: 1 AND HEBREWS 1: 3 HE HAS NO LEGAL RIGHT TO BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
BECAUSE HE WOULD CLAIM TO SAVE A WORLD AND ITS INHABITANTS THAT HE DID NOT CREATE AND THEREFORE HE DOES NOT KNOW …
AND A JESUS NOT CREATOR CANNOT BE A TRUE SAVIOR …
THINK ABOUT THIS ….
August 17, 2021 at 10:07 am#872877
Proclaimer
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Notice the definite article where Thomas says “the Lord of me and the God of me” in the interlinear below. He is referring to Jesus, btw.
The words that Thomas’ spoke to Jesus literally mean ‘the Lord of me and the God of me’. This is simply an address to two identities. If Thomas wanted to convey that Jesus was Lord and God too, he could have said: ‘the Lord and God of me’. It seems easy to accept that when addressing Jesus Christ, that you could address God too. Certainly when we give thanks we often thank Jesus and God and we are encouraged to do so in scripture too.
Ephesians 5:20
always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
August 17, 2021 at 10:08 am#872878
Proclaimer
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@Lightenup
John 20:28
August 17, 2021 at 10:18 am#872879
Proclaimer
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@berean
John 1:1
August 17, 2021 at 5:29 pm#872884
gadam123
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Fair enough gadam. But I will say that you make the argument here that the New Testament is inconsistent in that it teaches he is God then a man etc.
In actual fact the New Testament is consistent whether it is true or not. Here is the main narrative wrapped up in a few verses. The rest of the New Testament concurs with this. It is very consistent . What has got in the way for many is millenia of traditions mostly started by powerful misguided men. Once you block tradition out and read the New Testament for what it says, then it is very clear and consistent.
Hi Proclaimer, thanks again for your reply to my post. I am not alone in stating that the NT is diversity than unity on the nature of Jesus. There are number of NT scholars who wrote much on this aspect.
I am not going for the details on these difference of opinions on Jesus as it is sufficient to prove that the Christianity divided much on the person and nature of Jesus which is clearly visible on this Forum.
Of course for you,this is the myth. That God paid the highest price for our souls by paying the debt of sin which is death by sending his best. His only begotten Son. The first to be with him
Yes the poetic passage you quoted from Phil 2 is mythic in nature on Jesus the man. It is a much debated topic on various Forums. ‘God sending his beloved son for redemption of souls’ is no where found in the Hebrew Bible. If it is so much important a theme, I think the Hebrew Bible certainly must have recorded it and reminded every one on this so called mystery so many times just like the coming Messianic rule.
Thanks and peace to you…..Adam
August 17, 2021 at 6:32 pm#872885
carmel
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Hi Mike,
Okay Carmel, I just asked Jesus in his own name if he is God – or the holy servant of God. Jesus told me to read the scriptures, where it’s abundantly clear that he can’t very well BE his and our God if he is the son, servant, prophet, spokesman, priest, messiah, holy one, angel, first creation, and sacrificial lamb OF his and our God.
Me: This time you are perfectly right Mike!
BUT THERE’S ONE THING WHICH I AM SURE OF THOUGH!
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS?
THAT YOU SIMPLY ASKED THE WRONG JESUS, WHO IS WITHIN YOUR MENTALITY AND HE IS NEITHER THE ONE WHO IS IN YOUR HEART NOR THE ONE WHO IS
GODMAN IN SCRIPTURE!
Jeremiah 32:27 Behold
I am THE Lord the God of ALL FLESH:
shall anything be hard for me?
MIke, ARE YOU IN THE POSITION TO DEFINE THE TERM
ALL FLESH?
GOD THE FATHER HAS NO FLESH FOR SURE!
AND IN THE ABOVE HE IS REFERRING TO
JESUS CHRIST!
HE IS THE OWNER OF
ALL FLESH! MORE APPROPRIATE:
GODMAN!
John 20:28 Thomas answered, and said to him:
My Lord, and my God.
Mike in the above it is clear that
JESUS IS A UNIQUE
HUMAN/DIVINE/SPIRIT/FLESH BEING!
Mike, are you in the position to define the term:
MY GOD?
What actually Thomas MEANT?

Peace and love in Jesus Christ
August 17, 2021 at 10:01 pm#872894
Proclaimer
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gadam, when you know the truth there is no contradiction because there is no contradiction in truth.
Doctrines in scripture are clear and in unity. So-called contradictions are easily cleared up. They are simply misunderstandings that can be cleared up easily enough.
I challenge people when they say there is contradiction. Trouble is there are a lot of brainwashed people out there who teach and follow traditions that were passed down.
If a person was deserted on an island with a Bible and had never read it or been taught it, they would never come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ was God or that Hell was eternal for example. These extrabiblical doctrines need to be taught first, then some scriptures seem to leap out at them.
If a person can skip tradition and go straight to the scriptures and read it, they will find a united front of truth and revelation.
August 17, 2021 at 10:13 pm#872895
Proclaimer
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Yes the poetic passage you quoted from Phil 2 is mythic in nature on Jesus the man. It is a much debated topic on various Forums. ‘God sending his beloved son for redemption of souls’ is no where found in the Hebrew Bible. If it is so much important a theme, I think the Hebrew Bible certainly must have recorded it and reminded every one on this so called mystery so many times just like the coming Messianic rule.
What do you think the whole Passover sacrifice (Passover lamb) was all about. The blood of this sacrifice sprinkled on the door-posts of the Israelites was a sign to God, when the angel passed through the land to not send his judgement on that household.
When John the Baptist stepped forward in John 1:29 and introduced Jesus as the Lamb of God, he did so as the final Old Testament prophet, the son of a priest, and as the chosen forerunner of Christ. He identified Jesus as the Passover Lamb of God, how powerful, complete and transforming is that truth. Think of the dramatic sequence God had planned just on the day of Christ’s crucifixion. On the day Christ died on the Cross – for our sins, it was the fourteenth day of Abib, A.D. 33.
At the third hour (9:00 AM), Israel’s high priest tied the Passover lamb to the altar for sacrifice. At that exact moment outside the city walls of Jerusalem, Jesus, the Lamb of God, was nailed to the cross.
For six hours both the Passover lamb and Jesus the Lamb of God, awaited death. Finally, at the ninth hour (3:00 PM), the high priest ascended the altar in the temple and sacrificed the Passover lamb.
At that exact moment from the Cross Christ’s words thundered out over the city of Jerusalem, “It is finished!”
https://www.christianity.com/jesus/is-jesus-god/names-of-jesus/how-is-jesus-our-passover-lamb.html
God’s plan was not finished thousands of years ago. It is still in action today and to come. Israel is part of his future plans as is the Church.
1 Peter 1:17-25
Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,
“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”
And this is the word that was preached to you.
August 18, 2021 at 1:32 am#872897
gadam123
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What do you think the whole Passover sacrifice (Passover lamb) was all about. The blood of this sacrifice sprinkled on the door-posts of the Israelites was a sign to God, when the angel passed through the land to not send his judgement on that household.
When John the Baptist stepped forward in John 1:29 and introduced Jesus as the Lamb of God, he did so as the final Old Testament prophet, the son of a priest, and as the chosen forerunner of Christ. He identified Jesus as the Passover Lamb of God, how powerful, complete and transforming is that truth. Think of the dramatic sequence God had planned just on the day of Christ’s crucifixion. On the day Christ died on the Cross – for our sins, it was the fourteenth day of Abib, A.D. 33.
Hi Proclaimer, thanks for your replies to my post. It’s good that you are studying Hebrew scriptures by quoting the NT scriptures.
But the writers of the NT misinterpreted Hebrew scriptures to suit their agenda on Jesus the supposed Messiah. Yes the writer of Fourth Gospel identified Jesus as the Lamb of God which takes away the sins of world and also he placed Jesus’ crucifixion on the eve of Passover of Jews. Please study the Hebrew Bible properly the Passover Lamb was not meant for atonement of sins but it was for the commemorating the deliverance of people of Israel from the slavery of Egypt. This is not meant for any other people or for any other purpose. This is the reason why the writer of Hebrews interpreted Jesus’ death as an atonement for the remission of sins by comparing with the High Priest who takes the blood of the sacrifice into the Holy of Holies on the day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). Please read Heb 9 for more details on this subject. This is also one example of diversity on Jesus.
So what do you say, whether Jesus was crucified on the day of Passover or on the Day of Atonement?
Here are Jewish arguments on this subject for your kind information;
Evangelical Christians often draw a comparison between the Paschal Lamb and Jesus, insisting that the former foreshadows the latter. This idea is advanced in the New Testament, particularly in the fourth Gospel, where John portrayed Jesus as the fulfillment of the Passover lamb. Yet how valid a point is this? What is the meaning of this holiday sacrifice? Is there a relationship between this festival offering and atonement for sin?
The Bible relates in Exodus 12:3-13 that as the Jewish people were preparing themselves for the momentous Exodus from Egypt, God commanded them to slaughter a year-old sheep or goat on the 14th day of the first month (Nissan). They were to place its blood on the outside doorposts of their homes. Because Christians insist that the blood of the Paschal lamb foreshadowed the atonement of the blood of Jesus at Calvary, it behooves us to question the soundness of this claim.
The Passover lamb did not atone for sin and accordingly, this idea is nowhere to be found in the Jewish Scriptures. It goes without saying that the notion that the Paschal Lamb is a representation of a crucified savior or an atonement is alien to the teachings of the Torah.
A mindful study of the Jewish Scriptures reveals that the Paschal Lamb was alluded to long before the Exodus from Egypt. Centuries earlier, Abraham’s faith was tested by God when he commanded him to sacrifice his beloved son Isaac. Genesis 22:7-8 relates that as the two ascended Mount Moriah together, Isaac asked his father,
“Here is the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for the offering?” Abraham then replied, “God will see to a lamb for an offering, my son.” (Genesis 22:7-8)
The question that comes to mind is, what happened to that lamb that Abraham promised? A few verses later we find that ram was sacrificed rather than a lamb! Where was the lamb to which Abraham was prophetically referring?
The answer of course is that our father Abraham was prophetically alluding to the Paschal lamb. Just as God tested Abraham’s faith to demonstrate his worthiness to be the father of the chosen people, the young Jewish nation also had to have their faith tested to show their worthiness to participate in the exodus from Egypt, receive the Torah at Mount Sinai, and emerge as the progenitors of the covenant people who would forever be known as “a light to the nations.”
During the period of the Exodus in Ancient Egypt, the lamb was deified and worshiped as a god. By Egyptian law, it was therefore forbidden to harm a lamb in any way; such an act was considered a crime punishable by death.
For this reason, Moses refused Pharaoh’s initial offer that the Jews bring their sacrifice to God while remaining in Egypt, following the third plague of lice. Moses explained to Pharaoh that it would be impossible for his people to sacrifice these animals in this land because the Egyptians would execute us for carrying out this ceremony (Exodus 8:25-26).
The Almighty, therefore, tested the faithfulness of the Jewish people by commanding them to kill Egypt’s cherished god, and place the lamb’s blood on their doorposts, displayed for all of their neighbors to see. Only those Israelites who, like Abraham, demonstrated that they feared nothing but the God of Israel were deemed worthy to have their homes “passed over” during the tenth and final plague.
It is worth noting that the synoptic gospels, i.e. the gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, do not associate Jesus with the Paschal Lamb. The Book of John, on the other hand, draws a clear link between the two (John 1:29-34). The synoptic Gospels insist that Jesus was crucified on the first day of Passover – the 15th day of Nissan. Written several decades after the synoptic Gospels, the John’s author accordingly has Jesus crucified on the eve of Passover, the 14th day of Nissan, when the lambs were slaughtered. As a result, the Passover Seder is noticeably absent in John’s Passion Narrative.

August 18, 2021 at 2:56 am#872900
Berean
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Hi Proclaimer
HOW ARE YOU INTERPRETING Hebrews 1: 3? PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION THANKS

August 18, 2021 at 3:45 am#872901
Berean
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To all
By saying that the Son IS THE REFLECTION OF THE FATHER’S GLORY, AND THE EXACT FOOTPRINT OF HIS PERSON, WE ARE NOT DETRONTING THE FATHER OF HIS SUPREMACY. WE DON’T OCCULT THE FACT THAT HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD. AMEN !
August 18, 2021 at 4:56 am#872903
Lightenup
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Interesting that Adam’s post does not mention the term “redemption” or “redeem” or “firstborn” yet to celebrate the Passover Moses writes this:
11“Now when the LORD brings you to the land of the Canaanite, as He swore to you and to your fathers, and gives it to you, 12you shall devote to the LORD every firstborn of a womb, and every firstborn offspring of an animal that you own; the males belong to the LORD. 13But every firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck; and every firstborn among your sons you shall redeem. 14And it shall be when your son asks you in time to come, saying, ‘What is this?’ then you shall say to him, ‘With a powerful hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt, from the house of slavery. 15And it came about, when Pharaoh was stubborn about letting us go, that the LORD put to death every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from human firstborns to animal firstborns. Therefore, I sacrifice to the LORD the males, every firstborn of a womb, but every firstborn of my sons I redeem.’ 16So it shall serve as a sign on your hand and as phylacteries on your forehead, for with a powerful hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt.”
Jesus is the “clean” firstborn, the “firstborn Lamb,” who redeems the “unclean” firstborn, the “firstborn donkey.” To redeem in this situation was to pay a price (the shedding of blood from the clean one) to buy back the freedom of the slaves (spiritual Israel). This most certainly ties Jesus to the Paschal Lamb. The atonement is the result of the redemption, the blood was the “currency” used for the redemption. The blood was shed to redeem the sinner so that the sinner would receive the ultimate atonement back into a relationship with God, as I understand it. Before Jesus returns for the future great day of atonement, those who have faith in the redemptive act of Jesus death, are sealed by the indwelling Spirit of God as a pledge to be ultimately realized on that great day.
It is really beautiful. Jesus paid the price that we could not pay because the payment had to be made from the Clean One (Jesus) for the unclean ones. An unclean man cannot redeem an unclean man.
I hope this helps. LU

August 18, 2021 at 8:03 am#872905
carmel
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Hi Gene,
YOU; “Now if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the Grave be dwell in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the grave will also quicken your mortal “BODY”, by the Spirit that dwells “in” you.
Matthew 27:50And Jesus again crying with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And behold the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top even to the bottom, and the earth quaked, and the rocks were rent.
52And the graves were opened:
and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,
53And coming out of the tombs after his resurrection came into the holy city, and appeared to many.
ME: Gene BY WHOES SPIRIT THOSE DEAD BODIES WERE RAISED?
JUST TO KEEP YOU IN MIND HEREUNDER ARE VITAL SCRIPTURES IN RELATION TO THE RESURRECTION OF THESE SAINTS.
The first one is a clear reference to the glorification of Jesus, the Son of Man,
JESUS’HUMAN NATURE, IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH, BY WHICH DEATH HIS FLESH BODY BECAME SPIRIT, ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST, IN
JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN! WHETHER YOU ACCEPTED OR NOT, SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN John13:31-32.
John13:31When he, (Judas) therefore, was gone out, Jesus said:
Now is the Son of man glorified,
and God (IN THE HOLY GHOST in Jesus’soul, Ezekiel 18:4 ) is glorified in him. (IN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN: The Holy Ghost, possessed Jesus’ flesh Acts 20:28)
32If God be glorified in him, (THE SON OF MAN)
God also will glorify him (THE SON OF MAN) in himself; (GODMAN)
and immediately (ON HIS DEATH) will he (God in the Holy Ghost) glorify him.

1Peter 3:18 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, (IN HIS HUMAN PERSON THE SON OF MAN) being put to death indeed in the flesh,
but enlivened in the spirit,
19In which (SPIRIT, ) also coming he (JESUS CHRIST in full glory) preached to those spirits that were in prison: (in HELL, by which preaching they came back to life)
Now to your scripture:
YOU; “Now if the spirit of him(JESUS CHRIST GLORIFIED GODMAN ON THE CROSS) who raised Jesus (THE SON OF MAN, JESUS’ DEAD BODY) from the Grave be dwell in you, he (JESUS CHRIST, GLORIFIED GODMAN ON THE CROSS) who raised Christ Jesus (JESUS’SPIRIT, ORIGINALLY SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13;8 IN ALL SOULS) from the grave will also quicken your mortal “BODY”, by the Spirit (JESUS’ ORIGINALLY SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD rev.13:8) that dwells “in” you.(James 1:21, Galatians 4:6)

Peace and love in Jesus Christ
August 18, 2021 at 8:23 am#872906
Lightenup
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Proclaimer:
Nice try but that is not what the trinity is.
Also, nice try on your spin of what Thomas said. I think that Thomas referring to Jesus as the God of himself and the Lord of himself agrees perfectly with what the Father calls the Son in Hebrews 1, YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of the Son’s hands.
If we address Jesus as our God, in no way are we lessening the Father since for Jesus to be our head, all He is, is what we embrace. The Son with a Father and their Spirit is a package deal.
August 18, 2021 at 4:14 pm#872908
Proclaimer
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Nice try but that is not what the trinity is.
Your statement is incorrect. The Trinity which is basically the creed of the Catholic Church (and daughters), basically states that the Trinity is a matter of salvation in that adherents need to believe that God is a Trinity in Unity made of the same substance. The members are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each has equal glory, majesty, and are coeternal. Each member is almighty, yet not three almighties, but one almighty. Each is also Lord and God, yet not three Gods, but one God. And within the members of this Trinity, none is greater or less than another. They are coequal. This is basically what the catholic faith is and without this faith, a man supposedly cannot be saved.
This is a complete load of bollocks. It is purely manmade tradition created by manmade organisations. It is a million miles away from what the true faith is. The Bible teaches otherwise.
While this seems a harsh conclusion, remember that a great falling away was prophesied. An age of rebellion, darkness, and antichrist rhetoric. In that time, the true sons of God will shine like the stars in the darkness however. God allows such ignorance because men push in their direction and eventually he let’s them be led astray because of their own impulses.
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GOD IS BIGGER THAN THE SON…

GOD IS A STATE!

A STATE OF LOVE!

I am THE Lord the God of ALL FLESH:

ALL FLESH?

GODMAN!

My Lord, and my God.

HUMAN/DIVINE/SPIRIT/FLESH BEING!

MY GOD?

and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,

and God (IN THE HOLY GHOST in Jesus’soul, Ezekiel 18:4 ) is glorified in him. (IN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN: The Holy Ghost, possessed Jesus’ flesh Acts 20:28)

but enlivened in the spirit,

19In which (SPIRIT, ) also coming he (JESUS CHRIST in full glory) preached to those spirits that were in prison: (in HELL, by which preaching they came back to life)

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Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

GOD IS BIGGER THAN THE SON…

GOD IS A STATE!

A STATE OF LOVE!

I am THE Lord the God of ALL FLESH:

ALL FLESH?

GODMAN!

My Lord, and my God.

HUMAN/DIVINE/SPIRIT/FLESH BEING!

MY GOD?

and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,

and God (IN THE HOLY GHOST in Jesus’soul, Ezekiel 18:4 ) is glorified in him. (IN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN: The Holy Ghost, possessed Jesus’ flesh Acts 20:28)

but enlivened in the spirit,

19In which (SPIRIT, ) also coming he (JESUS CHRIST in full glory) preached to those spirits that were in prison: (in HELL, by which preaching they came back to life)

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