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Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

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It seems that most who call themselves Christian belong to one of two camps. Jesus is either God or a mere created man. This debate has been raging since the days of Athanasius of Alexandria and Arius.

What the does the Bible say? Well it is quite clear on who Jesus is and his origin. Let’s take a look at what is written.

Scripture says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and when Jesus returns, his name is called ‘The Word of God’.  (John 1 & Revelation 19:13)

It says that God created all things through THE WORD and nothing was created without him. (John 1:3)

It says that the universe was created through THE SON and he is before all things. (Colossians 1:15-17)

It says that all things were created through JESUS CHRIST. (Hebrews 2:9)

This is what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, the one named: ‘The Word of God’ who was with God in the beginning.

He emptied himself, took upon himself our nature, was obedient to his God and our God, died for our sins as it is written, and is now in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

Jesus is not God in the flesh, rather the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us. He was with God in the beginning. He was the first to be with God.

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  • August 3, 2021 at 7:00 pm#872527
    Berean
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    What’s the Hebrew word for Lord in that verse, Berean?

    Me

    Hebrew Transliterated
    110:1 LDVD MZMVUr N’aM YHVH L’aDNY ShB LYMYNY ‘yD-‘aShYTh ‘aYBYK HDM LUrGLYK.

     

    L’aDNY

    I guess, …. I don’t know Hebrew

     

     

    August 3, 2021 at 10:57 pm#872528
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Please see Strong’s 113 for “Lord” and see that it does not merely mean human ruler but can also apply to a divine ruler even YHVH. Gene seems to be trying to claim that only human rulers are called this but he is incorrect.

    When you put God and Lord in the same sentence, God is as far as I know always greater.

    yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

    there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called
    one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
    one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

    Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,

    We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

    I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

    I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels

    August 3, 2021 at 11:01 pm#872529
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Please see Strong’s 113 for “Lord” and see that it does not merely mean human ruler but can also apply to a divine ruler even YHVH. Gene seems to be trying to claim that only human rulers are called this but he is incorrect.

    It’s like the word minister. It could refer to the prime minister or a minister of a portfolio like transport for example.

    So if the prime minister said something to a minister, you would assume that the minister was not the prime minister or he would be referring to himself.

    August 4, 2021 at 1:47 am#872530
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer……wrong again…… Go look at the words used in that scripture it is, UPPER CASE ,  AND check out the Strongs, better yet Go to the Hebrew text and look up the words for lords used in lower case and you will see that word simply means a ruler, “any human”ruler , Judge, or any person in a higher position then you.

    Big difference in the Hebrew words used for Lords that has been translated into English,   Adonia , almighty God,  (LORD) ,while the word  adoni , applies to,  “any” human  ruler, judge , or magistrate.
    “The LORD ( God) , YAHOVAH,  said unto my lord, HUMAN ruler Jesus Christ   ”  

    Jesus is not a God, nor a Angelic being, nor is he a “spirit being, no more the we are.” ,  there is not  a single text that say Jesus is now a spirit being, of any kind, but God is SPIRIT , and Jesus is not,  Just as Jesus himself “clearly” said.

     

    But you people really don’t believe what Jesus actually says do ?,  or you would already know that right?

    peace and love to you and yours……….gene

     

    August 4, 2021 at 2:41 am#872531
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer…… the word “prime- minister, ” uses the definite article (prime) before it, showing it is a definite individual , while the word minister can  mean anyone right?   That is the point , the Word LORD , MEANS A CERTAIN Being and , LORD (Adonia) in Hebrew is always referencing God almighty himself, no other. And the word lord can apply to anyone in the position of a lord,  David was being specific regarding to his human son and coming Ruler of his throne “The Man ” Jesus,  his own son from his own loins, promised him by the LORD ,  ADONIA his GOD.   simple as that, IMO

    peace and love to you and yours………….gene

     

    August 4, 2021 at 4:32 am#872535
    Berean
    Participant

    Gene

    YOU’RE WRONG . JESUS IS NOT JUST A MAN.
    STOP LOWERING IT.

    HE IS THE KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS.

    HE IS FROM HEAVEN :

    “For I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” 

     

     

    August 4, 2021 at 5:11 am#872536
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean …..Jesus no more came from heaven then we have,  Did He not say call no man your Father on earth?  But one is your Father who is in heaven,  so we can also say we are from heaven , that is IF, you believe what Jesus said.

    Did He Not say his deciples were not of this world?  “Yes he did,” then pray tell me where they were from? And he said as he “also”  was not of this world . Tell us what Jesus meant by that.

    Berean …. Why use the language “just” a man as we are,  you idea of what man is sure does not meet what Hebrews 2 says man is, that is for sure.  Mankind is the Crown Jewel of all of God the Fathers Creation, “bar none”. There is nothing higher in all  creation except God the Father himself,  then mankind, whom God created “IN HIS OWN IMAGE”.
    Your perverted image of Mankind is exactly what Satan wants you to believe.  That’s not God the fathers  or Jesus’ view at all. God said all he created was     “VERY GOOD” .  but your opinions of What God created is much different then his and Jesus’ is.  But your not alone Satan has done an excellent job of making nearly all trinitarians think that.

     

    I believe that Mankind is next to being like God himself and with the Spirit of the Father in him he can be , my proof OF THIS , is “the man” Jesus, the anointed human being.  He is the ” first OF MANKIND to be adopted as a Son of the living God, and the last will be just as he is.  If you “truly” believe what he said, and understand the true plan of God for ALL OF HUMANITY,  which clearly you don’t,  as far as I am concerned. 

     

    peace and love to you and yours………..gene

    August 4, 2021 at 8:19 am#872539
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Gene,

    The word “LORD” in all caps is how the translators specify the name “YHVH,” not adonai in the OT. The word adonai Strongs #136 is not in Psalms 110 at all. Why you don’t know that by now is puzzling. Would you like help to learn how to read a free online interlinear which shows you the original Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic words with the English words written right below them? I can show you if you are interested.

    Here is a more accurate translation:

    A PSALM OF DAVID. A declaration of YHWH to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

    Here is a screenshot of the interlinear for Psalm 110:1, please note that there is no Strong’s #136 in this passage:

    Screen Shot 2021-08-02 at 5.09.10 PM

    August 4, 2021 at 8:36 am#872540
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    You said: So if the prime minister said something to a minister, you would assume that the minister was not the prime minister or he would be referring to himself.

    If there were two words “minister” in the sentence and one was emphatic, yes. However, in Psalm 110:1 there is only one word translatable as “Lord” from the original Hebrew. The NT quotation of Psalm 110:1 shows two words translated as Lord and one of them is in all CAPS. The OT and NT have the word “LORD” when the name YHVH is meant.

    Psalm 110:1 should read:

    Literal Standard Version
    A PSALM OF DAVID. A declaration of YHWH to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

    Once again, see the interlinear on this verse, read right to left:

    Screen Shot 2021-08-02 at 5.09.10 PM

    August 4, 2021 at 8:52 am#872541
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi LU

    AMEN

    “YHWH TO MY LORD” IS RIGHT

    August 4, 2021 at 9:15 am#872542
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    You said:

    When you put God and Lord in the same sentence, you usually assume that God is greater.

    Agreed. The Father is greater than the Son because the Father as in a father/son relationship naturally has authority over his son. However the father and son would be equal in the type of being that they are.

    August 4, 2021 at 9:24 am#872543
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    This is my paraphrase for more clarity:

    A PSALM OF DAVID. A declaration of YHWH to my Lord, YHWH our Righteousness,: “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

     

    Jeremiah 23

    5Behold, the days come, says Yahweh, that I will raise to David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.

    6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name by which he shall be called: Yahweh our righteousness.

    August 4, 2021 at 9:56 am#872544
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Mr.Gene,

    YOU:Jesus is not a God, nor a Angelic being, nor is he a “spirit being, no more the we are.” ,

     there is not  a single text that say Jesus is now a spirit being, of any kind,

    but God is SPIRIT ,

    and Jesus is not,  

    Just as Jesus himself “clearly” said.

     

    ME: Read what Jesus Himself  CLEARLY said:

     

    John17:10 And all my things are thine,

    EXPLAIN Gene:

    WHAT ARE ALL JESUS’ THINGS WHICH RIGHT NOW BELONG TO GOD FOR THE FIRST TIME? AND HOW???

    and thine are mine;

    WHAT ARE ALL GOD’S THINGS WHICH RIGHT NOW BELONG TO JESUS? AND HOW???

    and I am glorified in them. 

    WHAT ALL THINGS BOTH GOD’S AND JESUS’ WHICH RIGHT NOW  BELONG

    ONLY TO THE GLORIFIED JESUS???

    AND HOW???

    The above is only ONE VERSE OF MANY WHICH CONFIRMS WHAT JESUS ETERNALLY  WAS AND IS RIGHT NOW!!!

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

    August 4, 2021 at 10:07 am#872545
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Hi Berean,

    You said:

    Hi LU

    AMEN

    “YHWH TO MY LORD” IS RIGHT

    Thanks Berean, I’m glad that you can see that.

    August 4, 2021 at 10:11 am#872546
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Mr.Gene,

    YOU:Jesus is not a God,

    nor a Angelic being,

    nor is he a “spirit being, no more the we are.” ,

    ME:SCRIPTURE:

    Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected;

    but received me as an angel of God,

    even as Christ Jesus.

     

    Answer Gene please:

    WHAT IS CHRIST IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE?

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    August 4, 2021 at 1:43 pm#872559
    princess
    Participant

    john 4.24

    ……. in spirit and truth …….

    very simple

     

    August 5, 2021 at 1:23 am#872563
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Carmel……very simple , they were “messengers” of God,  both Jesus and Paul were. Human messengers.  Not angelic beings, as you falsely assume.

    As far as what is thine are mine , that is also simple “ALL things are God the Fathers, and he made them for US,  the future heirs of them, just the same as Jesus,  or haven’t you ever read “we ARE “JOINT” HEIRS WITH Jesus Christ.”  And what Heb2 says. .  God the father gives everything on this earth for all of mankind,  even the “MAN” Jesus Christ. Just another proof of Jesus’ actual human existence, even now. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours……..gene

    August 5, 2021 at 3:04 am#872565
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    LU…… In the Old Testament the word (Adonai ) occurs 434 times, there are heave uses of the word in the book of Isaiah , 200 times, in Daniel 11 times , in chapter 9,  first used in Gen 15;2, and also in the book of Paslms 110: 1,  :

    Meaning and Derivation:  Adonia….is a verbal parallel to Yahweh and Jehovah, Adonia is plural ; the singular is Adon, in reference God the plural Adonai is used . When the singular adon  is used , it usually refers to  a human lord , Adon is used 215 times referring to men.

    LU if you understood that you would know that in, Psa 110: 1 , there are two different LORDS  BEING MENTIONED THERE , one was God almighty (Adonia)  the other a human ruler ( adon)   Jesus Christ.

    peace and love to you and yours………gene

     

    August 5, 2021 at 3:24 am#872566
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Gene,

    The Hebrew word adonai is not found in Psalm110:1.

    August 5, 2021 at 5:16 am#872570
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Lu…..Read any truth Hebrew translators explanation of what is said there and they will telll you the first word written there As LORD   IS referring to YEHWAH OR ALMIGHTY GOD. , WHILE THE second (lord) is referring to a “HUMAN” RULER.  

    IT REALLY DOSENT TAKE MUCH TO UNDERSTAND THAT. ,

    Even in Greek it shows a difference between the words LORD, and lord,  the lower case word can represent any “human ruler’ , and is never used to represent a God of any kind.  David was speaking of the Messiah a “human” offspring of his, as Jesus  said in revelations he was. “I am the root and offspring of David’.
    So you deny even what Jesus himself says right?

    peace and love to you and yours………..gene

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