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Many are those who deny that Jesus Christ was the first to be with God and by extension, that God created all things through him. Obviously Atheists deny this. But many so-called Believers also deny this.

What does the Bible say. Did Jesus exist before all things and did God create all things for him? Scripture is actually very clear on this. It says that God created all things through the Word, the Son, and the Lord Jesus Christ. And we know that these three are not three different persons. Clearly, they are the same person who we know as the Jesus Christ.

  1. The Word. See John 1:3 & 14
  2. The Son. See Hebrews 1:1-2 & Colossians 1: 15-20
  3. Lord Jesus Christ. See 1 Corinthians 8:6

If God created all things through Jesus Christ the Word, The Son of God, and the Lord, then he must have preceded all things. It seems that the Son is in the unique position between God and Man and God and creation.

John 1:1-3 & 14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made….

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Revelation 19:13
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

Hebrews 1:1-2
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Colossians 1: 15-20
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Anyone who teaches that Jesus Christ did not exist with God in the beginning of creation is denying what the scriptures teach. Anyone who denies that God created all things through the son of God is also denying what the scriptures teach.

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  • July 23, 2022 at 1:54 am#932598
    GeneBalthrop
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    • Carmel……..God’s words are,  “in” him,  and are “with” him,  and “are” him, Just as your words are in you , with you, and are you, Jesus’ word are in him and with him and are him, too,  this applies to all of us, human beings also,  including the “man” Jesus,   but when any human being, or angel, or even Jesus speaks “God’s words”, those words are not his words, nor, Jesus’ ” words,” either,  just as “Jesus” said, “not me”, so here is your “pigeon” Carmel,
    • …..“the words i am telling you are “NOT”  “MY WORDS”, but the words of him who sent me”.  

    Question is Carmel,  do you “truly” believe what Jesus “himself” says?

    Peace and love to you and yours Carmel………..gene

     

     

    July 23, 2022 at 2:41 am#932599
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Carmel……Do you even know what the meaning of word is?  Simplest meaning to me is  “intellegent utterance”, rather spoken or written. And belongs to whoever “originaly”  uttered or wrote them.  God and his words are One, and if i believe him and his words , i am one with him also. Just as Jesus is,,  he is “in” GOD, because God’s words are “in” him, the same applies to all who have God the Fathers Abiding in them also,  Me and Jesus are one with the Father, and each other,  because the Fathers “words” abide “in” us both, therefore God abides “in” us both?  JUST THAT SIMPLE.  All by one and the same Spirit of the Father.  Which is the “common denominator.” Of all of God’s Childern. 

    Peace and love to you and yours Carmel. …………gene

    July 23, 2022 at 10:31 am#932600
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    You: Carmel……..God’s words are,  “in” him,  and are “with” him,  and “are” him, Just as your words are in you , with you, and are you,

    Jesus’ word are in him and with him and

    are him, too, 

    this applies to all of us, human beings also, 

    Me: THE ABOVE ACCORDING TO YOU IS YOUR

    “intelligent utterance”,

    LET’S SEE! READ HEREUNDER:

    John6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing.

    The words that I have spoken to you,

    are spirit and life.

     

    THE ABOVE CLEARLY SAYS THAT

    JESUS’ OWN WORDS ARE

    SPIRIT AND LIFE!

    You: Jesus’ word are in him and with him and

    are him, too, 

    this applies to all of us, human beings also, 

    Me: ABOVE, YOU ALSO ADMITTED THAT 

    JESUS IS ALSO SPIRIT AND LIFE!

    ANSWER Gene, SHOW US YOUR

    INTELLIGENT UTTERANCE!

    ARE YOUR WORDS “SPIRIT AND LIFE?”

    ARE YOU ALSO

    SPIRIT AND LIFE AS JESUS CLEARLY IS?

    AFTER ALL, ALWAYS BY YOUR OWN “INTELLIGENCE UTTERANCE”JESUS IS  A HUMAN AS YOU ARE HUMAN AND

    A BRANCH AS YOU ARE A BRANCH!

     

    NOW  IN MY LAST POST I ALSO ASKED YOU:

    Gene, explain what 

    “IN ALL THINGS HE MAY HOLD PRIMACY”

     IS A REFERENCE TO?

     

    NOW MR. Genius, IF YOU ARE PREOCCUPIED  TO ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTION,

    AND SINCE YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF NOTHING DIFFERENT FROM JESUS,

    USE YOUR “INTELLIGENCE UTTERANCE” AND ANSWER

     

    MAY “YOU” ALSO HOLD PRIMACY IN ALL THINGS

    AS JESUS DOES?

    YES OR NO PLEASE? 

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

    July 24, 2022 at 2:04 am#932605
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Carmel…….Your still twist scriptures, Jesus never said “my” words are Spirit and are life,  he said,  “the words i “telling you” are spirit and life,  but then,  HE “ALSO” SAID,  “the words i am telling you, are “NOT”,  “MY” words, but the words of him that sent me.  Thats your pigeon! , so deal with it. 

    Question still remains,  do you  “truly” believe  Jesus?  

    July 24, 2022 at 11:35 pm#932628
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Proclaimer…….again you ignore what i ask you to do, Just make a simple Study of the Greek word [dia] , Thats a big hang up for you brother, IMO.

    Hebrews 1:1-2
    1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
    2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

    gene, God certainly made all things for the Son and on account of him. But that doesn’t mean that the Son is NOT the firstborn of all creation. If you say he is not the firstborn, then who was the firstborn to you? I guess you do not know. Whereas, I follow the firstborn and you have no clue who he is.

    Colossians 1:15-18
    The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

    Take the bit that says: “He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”.

    There is no dia in that text. Thus, he is before all things as it says. Further, if the Son was begotten by God first (firstborn), then God creates all things on account of him. What is the problem with that? Nothing. It’s just that you do not like the idea that Jesus was and is the firstborn son. You dislike the idea that he was with God in the beginning and that he is now where he was before. You dislike a Jesus who was sent down from Heaven. But you need to accept it because it is true. The real Jesus Christ was sent down from heaven. He came in the flesh.

    July 25, 2022 at 2:21 am#932638
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer ….. The term “firstborn”,  can be taken many way, for instance , Jesus was the “firstborn” from the dead, “firstborn” from human kind to enter the kingdom of God. The term “firstborn” can also mean first in place,  like before everyone else, espically when relating to humanity. You as well as i know Jesus is the “Protoype” of what God the Father had and has,  in mind , for all humanity, all of his human creation. “Jesus and we”, are in fact the very reason God,  created everything he created , in this earth and the fuliness that is in it ,all of it,  was created for his human creation to inherit, Jesus is the First fruit, but by no mean the only one,  to inherit it, we all are, his brothers and sisters, and Joint heirs with him in “all things” . 

    God the Fathers goal, from the very beginning was and is to save us all his human creation, “for by Faith we are saved , not of “ourselves”, not of works, it is a “gift” from God”, and again,   “God is not willing that any parish, but that all come to repentance “,  and even that repentance,  is a gift from God. 

    I do not “seperate ” Jesus’ “exact”  idenity,  with me,  as a “real” human being, in “every” way.  As he is,  so am I,  as i am so is he,  he is my elder “Brother”, who “our” Father has placed over us, in the family of ,  “Our Father, ” who is the “One” and “only” true God. 

    Proclaimer, all those who try to “seperate” Jesus’ idenity,  from his human brothers and sisters, are of the evil one,  they are the ministers of the devil himself, they have infected the Church with their false teachings, from the very beginning, to this very day, they have preached a Jesus that is “seperate”  from his brothers and sister, and they shall be themselves seperated, from him,  at his return, as they preached,  so shall they recieve unto themselves,  Unless they repent! 

    Peace and love to you and your Proclaimer……….gene

     

    July 25, 2022 at 11:55 am#932661
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Proclaimer ….. The term “firstborn”,  can be taken many way, for instance , Jesus was the “firstborn” from the dead, “firstborn” from human kind to enter the kingdom of God.

    AND firstborn of all creation.

    1. He is the image of the invisible God,
    2. the firstborn of all creation.
    3. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
    4. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
    5. And he is the head of the body, the church.
    6. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.
    7. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,

    You disagree with points 2, 3, 4, & 7.

    July 26, 2022 at 3:05 am#932665
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    PROCLAIMER…… 1….Yes so are we, had you “truly” believed what scripture says , you would have already known that,, so the question is  do you “truly” believe scriptures”? JESUS SAID ( not me) , whosoever believes on me, “GREATER” WORKS, then i do shall “he” do”.  question is , do you “truly believe what Jesus said?  Jesus said, (not me), “whosoever sees me, sees “not me”,   but He,  “who sent me “,  why? Because Jesus put his will to death,and was doing God the Fathers will, not his will.    AGAIN,  “God was “in” Christ Jesus,  reconciling the world unto “himself”, 

    2….Yes  first one,  “born”,  of or (from)  all “human” creation,  to be born “again” into the the kingdom of God,  of from “the dead”, of all human creation.  He is not the First born of “all” human creation of God, there were millions if not billions of human beings born in this world before Jesus ever existed.  The first to be  “born” was Able , from all of humanity. Jesus, is the firstborn of (from)  “humanity” born that was born  “again”  into the kibgdom of God from the human family of God’s human creation.

    3……That describes God the Father , not “the man” Jesus. Why,  Do you also steal the glory of God the Father and give it to the “man” Jesus also?  Something Jesus “never did, or will do. you still don’t understabd the Greek word (DIA) do you? 

    4……Anorher discription of God the Father,  Jesus said (not me)…“God the Father was greater then he was”, ….  question is do you “truly” believe him,  Jesus said (not me)   … “the son of man can do “NOTHING” of himself”, Question is do you “truly” believe him? 

    5……….Agree, God the Father placed him as such.

    6……….Completey agree with that scripture.

    7……….The fulness of God the Father was and is certainely “in” him , by the Spirit he recieved,  after he was baptized by John the Baptised in the Jordan river,  Have no problem with that,    in fact that Same Spirit “dwells” in all who have been anointed with it, and will perform the exact same in them,  as it did “in” the “MAN”,  Jesus Christ, our lord. I am “IN” Jesus, and he is “IN”  me , by the operation of that Same Spirit from God that dwell “IN” ME AND HIM. “ONE”  GOD , IN “ALL” AND “THROUGH” ALL. 

    Proclaimer,  your still trying to make “the “man” Jesus out, to be different then we are, you still want to “seperate” him from yourself, and your being able to identify with him, on a human level,  be careful you may get your wish.  

    Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer………….gene

     

    July 26, 2022 at 10:25 am#932670
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene, 

    You: Carmel…….You still twist scriptures, Jesus never said “my” words are Spirit and are life, 

    he said,  “the words i “telling you” are spirit and life, 

    Me: LET’S SEE WHO IS TWISTING SCRIPTURES:

    John6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing.

    IN THE ABOVE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR, THAT ALL HIS PREACHING, PARTICULARLY IN JOHN 6, WAS DEDICATED TO HIS SPIRITUAL TASK, AND THE HUMAN FLESH IN WHICH HE WAS BORN IN COUNTS FOR NOTHING FOR HIM IN PARTICULAR, AND FOR GOD WHO IS SPIRIT, THE FACT THAT JESUS CAME IN HUMAN FLESH FOR OUR SAKE!

    HEREUNDER ARE JESUS OWN WORDS, OR MORE ACCURATE

    HIS SPIRITUAL GOSPEL

    WHICH CLEARLY ASSERTS THAT HIS TASK IS ALL SPIRITUAL!

    John 6:35And Jesus said to them: I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger: and he that believeth in me shall never thirst.

    38Because I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39Now this is the will of the Father who sent me: that of all that he hath given me, I should lose nothing;

    but should raise it up again in the last day.

    IN THE ABOVE JESUS IS REFERRING TO THE SPIRITUAL RESURRECTION OF HIS SOUL, AND OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM,  WHICH OCCURS ON THE LAST DAY ON EARTH, PRECISELY ON THE DEATH OF THE FLESH, WHICH COUNTS FOR NOTHING! ASSERTED HEREUNDER:

    40And this is the will of my Father that sent me:

    that every one who seeth the Son,

    and believeth in him,

    may have life everlasting, and I will raise him up in the last day.

    47Amen, amen I say unto you:

    He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life.

    48 I am the bread of life.

    IN THE ABOVE JESUS IS REFERRING TO HIS SPIRITUAL TASK, THAT WHO BELIEVES IN HIM, HAS ETERNAL LIFE!

    49Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. 

    IN THE ABOVE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEIR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA,  PHYSICAL BREAD, AND DIED!

    50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die. 51I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread that I will give,

    is my flesh, for the life of the world.

    HERE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO HIS DEATH, WHEN HE GAVE HIS FLESH AS A SACRIFICE AND RE-ESTABLISHED HIMSELF AS

    THE SOLE AND SVOREGIN SPIRIT IN THE ENTIRE CREATION! 1Colossians 17-20

    52The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

    IN THE ABOVE THE JEWS COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS AT ALL.

    59These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum. Many Disciples Turn Away 60Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said:

    This saying is hard, and who can hear it?

    61But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them:

    Doth this scandalize you?

    IN THE ABOVE JESUS WAS AWARE THAT THEY COULD NEVER DISCERN THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS AND SAID:

     62If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 

    WHERE WAS JESUS Gene, BEFORE HE CAME FROM HEAVEN? OBVIOUS

    SPIRIT IN ONE SUBSTANCE AND GLORY WITH THE FATHER! John17:5  NOW COMES YOUR TWISTING OF THE SCRIPTURES Gene!

    63It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing.

    ALL THE ENTIRE PREACHING OF JESUS IN John 6 IS SPIRITUAL! PRECISELY HIS SPIRITUAL TASK! ATTENTION PLEASE:

    The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.

    THE WORDS, PLURAL, JESUS’GOSPEL IS SPIRITUAL AND LIFE!

    JESUS SPOKE THOSE WORDS! Gene!

    JESUS SPOKE THE GOSPEL! Gene!

    THE WORDS ARE

    THE GOSPEL  OF JESUS CHRIST!

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON Gene!

    You: but then,  HE “ALSO” SAID,  “the words i am telling you, are “NOT”,  “MY” words, but the words of him that sent me. 

    THAT IS THE NEXT POST!

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

     

     

    July 27, 2022 at 2:09 am#932675
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Carmel……..are you ever screwed up,  Jesus came preaching the Kingdom of God and God’s rightiousness , his message was not about “his” kingdom , but the kingdom of God the Father,  need proof?

    Here you go……Jesus said (not me)…….to pray in this mannor, “OUR” Father who is in heaven, Holy is “YOUR” name, give “US” this day our bread, and forgive “US” our sins,  as we forgive others, who trasspass against us,   and lead “us” not into temptation, but deliever “us” from the evil, for “THINE” IS THE KINGDOM , AND THE POWER AND THE GLORY FOREVER”. 

    So where does Jedus say he was preaching “his kingdom” in that ? 

    Question is Carmel, do you,  “truly”,  believe the “real” Jesus , or the Jesus you have,  falsely created” for yourself.  2Ths2.  Thats your God as well as all the rest of “fallen” Chrtsendom. 

    If you believe Jesus is your God , you haven’t even began to Know,  “real” Jesus. Believe me,  Jesus had a God and it certanly was not himself.  REPENT Carmel !

    Peace and love to you and your Carmel………..gene

     

    July 27, 2022 at 6:49 am#932677
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Jesus mentions “His” kingdom here Gene:

    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, My attendants would fight that I might not be betrayed to the Jews. But now My kingdom is not from here.” John 18:36

    July 27, 2022 at 8:44 am#932678
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Hi Proclaimer,

    You said:

    Think about it. There is God. He is alone. There is no other God before him.

    He creates life. Who was the first to be given life?

    Do you think that God could produce a “biological” son, one that comes through some sort of an asexual reproductive process and in that manner the son is the actual, literal offspring of God? A few Trinitarian theologians that I have listened to recently have said that Jesus was not God’s biological son. Any thoughts?

    Blessings, LU

     

    July 27, 2022 at 9:21 pm#932690
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    You either believe or you don’t. Fine.

    Just don’t pretend to believe and then twist away the meaning.

    Jude 1:25
    to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

    Colossians 1:17
    He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

    Micah 5:2
    “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”

    July 28, 2022 at 2:04 am#932692
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Proclaimer,  yes his “origins” are from old, even before the world was ever created, Jesus was what God had in his mind, for “ALL”,  his ‘human” creation, right from the start.  YES,  Jesus is Before or first in the creation of perfected humanity, the First to be “born” into the Kingdom of God, “of “MANY” brethern”.   Jesus does hold that position of honour and glory, he had it before he ever “existed” it was “propheside”  before he ever existed.   SIMPLE AS THAT. 

    I AM NOT THE ONE “TWISTING” SCRIPTURES HERE,  YOU PEOPLE ARE.

    I HAVE QUOTED scriptures “word for word”,  “over and over”,  but as i have said , do you people “truly” believe , what Jesus himself said? THATS THE QUESTION? 

    Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer…………gene

    July 28, 2022 at 12:54 pm#932693
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Proclaimer,

    You said:

    You either believe or you don’t. Fine.

    So, what do YOU proclaim, Proclaimer? Do you think that God could produce a “biological” son, one that comes through some sort of an asexual reproductive process and in that manner the son is the actual, literal offspring of God? If yes, do you think that the pre-existent Son who all things were created through came that way? If no, why not?

    July 29, 2022 at 1:49 am#932700
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    LU……..Jesus said (not me),  “call “no” man on earth you Father,  but one is your father who is in heaven”  ,  now if we all have one father who is in heaven,  how does that make Jesus any different then we are?  Your still trying to “seperate”  Jesus from his fellow human brothers and sisters,   scripture says (not me),  “he is the first born of “many” brethern”.   question still remains,  do you “truly”,  believe,  what Jesus and scriptures say?  Jesus is first one born into the kingdom of God,  not the first “born” human being, that was Able. 

    God the father took the DNA of David,  and inplanted in MARY,  and the exact same human process took place as with all human beings, 9 months later Jesus came into his “only” true existence.  Jesus said  (not me)   “I am the root and offspring of David”,  question is do you “truly” believe him?

    Peace and love to you and your LU………….gene

     

    July 29, 2022 at 6:08 am#932703
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Gene,

    Please tell us what is the name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON referred to here as spoken by Jesus:

    John 3:16

    For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.18The one believing in Him is not judged, but the one not believing already has been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    19And this is the judgement, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light; for their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the Light and does not come to the Light, so that his works may not be exposed; 21but the one practicing the truth comes to the Light, that his works may be manifest as having been done in God.”

    July 29, 2022 at 10:26 am#932706
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    You: 1 Co 6:19-20……“what? Know you not that your “BODY” is the “temple” of the “HOLY GHOST” which is “IN” you, which you have of  God, and you are not your own? ,

    ME: But for God’s sake Gene, 1Corinthians 6 is not just that verse which you fancied NO?

    SO LET’S READ THE SCRIPTURE PROPERLY IN RELATION TO THE TRUTH AND ALSO TO WHAT

    YOU SHOULD HAVE POSTED.

    1CORINTHIANS 6:15 Know you not that your BODIES are

    the members of Christ?

    DIDN’T YOU SEE THAT Gene? I MEAN:

    CHRIST?

    NOW TO YOUR VERSE:

    19What? know ye not that your BODY is

    the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you,

    So our “BODIES”, ALL CHRISTIANS, are “MEMBERS”  of

    ONE BODY OF CHRIST,

    PLUS that

    Our BODY, EACH CHRISTIAN, INDIVIDUALLY, is ALSO the temple of the Holy Ghost!

     

    SO ALL CHRISTIANS ARE TEMPLES OF THE HOLY GHOST, AND

    ALL TEMPLES OF THE HOLY GHOST, ALL CHRISTIANS, ARE MEMBERS OF 

    ONE BODY OF CHRIST

    You: therefore glorify “GOD”, in your “BODY” ,

    Gene, as you can WELL read above, OUR BODIES, ALL CHRISTIANS, “THE CHURCH” AS TEMPLES OF THE HOLY GHOST, ARE

    THE MEMBERS OF ONE BODY OF

    JESUS CHRIST,

    SO WHEN WE GLORIFY GOD IN OUR BODY WE GLORIFY

    JESUS CHRIST! NO?

    You: Carmel…….do you see it saying to Glorify Jesus in our bodies, and Spirit there?  No you don’t do you?, but what and who do you see  , 

    glorify “GOD”, IN OUR FLESH “BODY” AND “SPIRIT” ALSO.

      Tell us is that not what “the man” Jesus,  did also? 

    DEFINITELY Mr. Gene

    BUT THAT MAN JESUS, “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, THE SON OF MAN!

    IS IN FULL GLORY AS

    JESUS CHRIST!

    Gene, THAT GOD, MENTIONED IN VERSE  20 IS 

    JESUS CHRIST!

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT…….PIGEON!

    THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF GOD!

    THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST!

    GODMAN!

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

     

     

     

     

     

       

     

     

     

     

    July 30, 2022 at 2:48 am#932713
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    CARMEL…..Yes thoise who have the “anointing” spirit “in” them are indeed members of CHRIST, OR THE “ANOUNTED” ONESb, THE SAME AS jesus is. We are his brothers,  or haven’t you ever read, ” Jesus  christ,  the first born of “many” brethern”.  

    And again,  1 John 4:12-17…… “no man has seen God at any time, if we love one another, God dwells “in” us  and his love is “perfected” “in”us, 13, Hereby know we that we dwell in him and he dwells “in”  us because he (God) has given us of “his” Spirit. 14, And we have seen and do testify that the Father,  has sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15, whosoever shall confess that Jesus, is the Son of God, God dwells in him, and he is in God,  it dosent say whosoever confess Jesus “is” a God, now does it? But a “Son” of God, Just as we are according to Jesus,

    16,   “And we have known and “believe” the love “GOD”,  HAS TO US, God is love ; and he that dwells in love, dwells “in” God, “AND”,  God dwells “in” him?

     

    But you really don’t believe Jesus is our brother do you?,  And don’t “truly believe what John wrote above either do you? 

    Peace and love to you and yours Carmel……….gene

    July 30, 2022 at 7:38 pm#932733
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    @Proclaimer

    reposted for your convenience, please answer:

    Proclaimer,

    You said:

    You either believe or you don’t. Fine.
    So, what do YOU proclaim, Proclaimer? Do you think that God could produce a “biological” son, one that comes through some sort of an asexual reproductive process and in that manner the son is the actual, literal offspring of God? If yes, do you think that the pre-existent Son who all things were created through came that way? If no, why not

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