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There are a lot of theories about the origins and spread of the new Coronavirus. This discussion is dedicated to keeping track of the virus and learning the truth about it.

The video below will give an update of the latest info compiled and narrated by Stefan Molyneux.

NOTE: Video is removed as Stefan Molyneux is banned from YouTube.

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  • April 30, 2021 at 10:57 pm#870422
    gadam123
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    India’s ‘double mutation’ covid virus variant is worrying the world:
    With India’s daily tally of Covid-19 infections surging by records, public health
    experts worry that a new — possibly more virulent — coronavirus variant could be
    racing through the crowded nation of more than 1.3 billion people.
    The new variant, which has a so-called double mutation, is thought to be fueling
    India’s deadlier new wave of cases that has made it the world’s second worst-hit
    country, surpassing Brazil again, and has already begun to overwhelm its hospitals
    and crematoriums. India has reported more than 14.5 million Covid cases so far and
    more than 175,600 fatalities.
    “This is a variant of interest we are following,” Maria Van Kerkhove, the World Health
    Organization’s technical lead officer on Covid, told reporters Friday. “Having two of
    these mutations, which have been seen in other variants around the world, are
    concerning,” she said, adding that there was a similarity with mutations that increase
    transmission as well as reduce neutralization, possibly stunting the ability of vaccines
    to curb them.
    The new strain underscores the insidious nature of viruses and threatens to thwart
    containment efforts in India, despite measures such as the world’s largest lockdown
    last year. An exploding outbreak in India risks undoing a hard-won victory over the
    pathogen for others, too, especially as this strain has now jumped to at least 10 other
    countries.
    Here’s what we know so far:
    How did the “double mutation” variant emerge?
    The new variant, called B.1.617, was initially detected in India with two mutations —
    the E484Q and L452R. It was first reported late last year by a scientist in India and
    more details were presented before the WHO on Monday, according to Van Kerkhove.
    Viruses mutate all the time, as part of evolutionary biology. Some mutations weaken
    the virus while others may make it stronger, enabling it to proliferate faster or cause
    more infections.
    India’s health ministry first acknowledged the presence of a “double mutant” at the
    end of March, but has downplayed it since. While it’s a variant of interest, it “has not
    been stamped as a ‘variant of concern’ so as to say that it is more lethal or more
    infectious,” Aparna Mukherjee, a scientist at the Indian Council of Medical Research,
    which works under the nation’s health ministry, told Bloomberg TV on Friday.
    The double mutation has been found in several countries like Australia, Belgium,
    Germany, Ireland, Namibia, New Zealand, Singapore, the U.K. and the U.S., according
    to an April 16 statement from the Indian government. “Higher transmissibility of this
    variant is not established as yet,” it said.
    Is it causing the record surge in infections in India?
    Genome sequencing indicates the variant as a possible culprit, although the Indian
    government hasn’t confirmed it.
    The average prevalence of the variant surged to as high as 52% of samples sequenced
    in April from almost nothing in January, according to website tracker outbreak.info,
    which uses data from global repository GISAID.
    In some districts in Maharashtra state — home to Mumbai and epicenter of the
    current wave that’s triggered fresh lockdown-like rules — the prevalence of this
    variant was more than 60%, according to Anurag Agrawal, director of the state-run
    Council of Scientific and Industrial Research’s genomics institute that’s conducting
    sequencing. The B.1.617 was present in samples from about 10 Indian states and
    while the percentage may vary, it was expected to rise as “it has two critical mutations
    that make it more likely to transmit and escape prior immunity,” Agrawal said.
    Both mutations are known to decrease — although not completely eliminate — the
    binding of the antibodies created by infection and vaccination, according to Jesse
    Bloom, an associate professor for genome sciences and microbiology at the University
    of Washington.
    “Mutations at sites E484 and L452 have been observed separately, but this is the first
    major viral lineage that combines the two,” said Bloom. “I do think that this new viral
    variant is important to monitor.”
    “We did the math — we do believe that a lot of the increase in the reproduction
    number can be explained by these mutations,” Nithya Balasubramanian, the head of
    health-care research at Bernstein India, told Bloomberg TV this week. “So, yes, the
    mutations are a big cause for worry.”
    After being complacent in mapping virus genomes in recent months — India did
    sequencing for less than 1% positive samples as of last month — the country is now
    scrambling to cover lost ground. “We are attempting to do at least 5% of whatever
    samples are there,” said ICMR’s Mukherjee.
    “It looks like that it is spreading faster than pre-existing variants,” said Rakesh
    Mishra, the Hyderabad-based director of the Centre for Cellular and Molecular
    Biology — another Indian lab doing genome sequencing of Covid samples. “Sooner or
    later, it will become prevalent in the whole country, given the way it is spreading.”
    Has it been found outside India?
    This variant has been detected in at least 10 other countries, including the U.S., the
    U.K., Australia and New Zealand, according to the situation report on outbreak.info.
    As of April 16, 408 sequences in the B.1.617 lineage have been detected of which 265
    were found in India, the report shows. A surveillance report by the U.K. government
    said it has found 77 cases in England and Scotland so far, designating it as a “Variant
    Under Investigation.”
    New Zealand has temporarily suspended arrivals of its citizens and residents from
    India due to the spike in the number returning with Covid. Brazil was also shunned as
    a Covid superspreader by its neighbors who were nervous about the virus strain next
    door.
    India’s second wave — given its size and rapid pace — will worry other nations that
    have just about managed their own outbreaks after weeks of economy-devastating
    lockdowns.
    Is it deadlier than other variants out there?
    Researchers are still trying to figure that out. The features of the double mutant
    variant are under investigation, but the L452R mutation is well characterized in U.S
    studies, according to Agrawal. It increases viral transmission by around 20% and
    reduces antibody efficacy by more than 50%, he said.
    Globally, three worrisome variants that have so far emerged in the U.K., South Africa
    and Brazil have caused particular concern. Studies suggest they are more contagious,
    and some evidence points to one of them being more deadly while another drives
    reinfections.
    This double mutant strain, first found in India, has begun troubling virologists
    everywhere.
    “The B.1.617 variant has all the hallmarks of a very dangerous virus,” William A.
    Haseltine, a former professor at Harvard Medical School wrote in Forbes on April 12.
    “We must do all that is possible to identify its spread and to contain it.”
    Do vaccines work against it?
    It’s hard to know for sure without adequate data and research. India is testing
    whether the new variants, including the B.1.617, are capable of “immune escape or
    not,” according to ICMR’s Mukherjee.
    Immune escape refers to a pathogen’s ability to evade human bodies’ immunity
    response. This means antibodies created after vaccination or prior infection may not
    protect a person from getting infected. If the new India variant shows “immune
    escape” behavior, this would have deep ramifications for India’s vaccination program,
    which has picked up after a sluggish start and administered almost 120 million doses
    so far.
    India has currently authorized three vaccines. Two of them are already in use while
    the third, Russia’s Sputnik V, was approved this week. India also fast-tracked approval
    for foreign vaccines this week. All of these efforts risk being jeopardized if the shots
    turn out to be less effective against this double mutation variant.

     

     

    May 1, 2021 at 2:31 am#870424
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Adam….So glad to hear from you again brother.  I and I hope all here,  will pray for you and your family, and the nation of India.

    Adam, your good and sound reasoning has always been a blessing to us all here  brother, I know you are a very Bessey person, but try going in on our bible dissuasions more if you have time brother, miss you.

    peace and love to you and yours……….gene

    May 1, 2021 at 5:24 pm#870429
    gadam123
    Participant

    Hello Brother Gene, it’s a joy to hear you after so many years. Thanks for your concern for me and my family. We are safe here by the grace of God in the midst of worst crisis. I know I miss all of you in Heavennet but due to some personal reasons I opted out of these unending discussions. Hope you are all doing well there.

    Please take care brother…love you.

    May 21, 2021 at 11:32 pm#870879
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi Adam from India.

    What city or state are you from?

    I visited India 30 years ago.

    Went to Delhi and ventured north into the Himalayas from there.

    Beautiful landscapes in that part of India.

    Here in New Zealand we managed to stop the virus, so life is almost normal here.

    Do you think the vaccine will end the pandemic?

    May 22, 2021 at 12:13 am#870886
    gadam123
    Participant

    Hello Proclaimer,

    Thanks for your post to me. I am glad you had visited India. Yes Himalayas are the most beautiful landscapes of India. We are in the middle of Second wave of COVID19. Lots of people are dying here for the past two months. Experts say India has achieved its peak now. Our daily deaths crossed 4500 which is the worst in the world. I lost my friends too. We are in panic situation.

    Yes experts say Vaccines are effective but not full proof. But our Vaccination process is dead slow for want of Vaccines. It may take another six months to complete vaccination for adults above 18 years. But we are already hearing about third wave too which may affect the younger people including children.

    It’s good that New Zealand effectively managed the situation.

    Thanks for your concern….Adam

     

    May 22, 2021 at 12:16 am#870887
    gadam123
    Participant

    Hi proclaimer I am from South India and my city is Visakhapatnam a costal town. But I am working in North Eastern City, Guwahati. I am a Government Telecommunication Officer here.

    May 22, 2021 at 12:27 am#870889
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Here are some photos I took in my short stay in India.

    I have fond memories of this time.

    https://geographic.media/location/asia/india/india-photos/

    May 22, 2021 at 12:44 am#870891
    gadam123
    Participant

    Hi Proclaimer, thanks for the pics but 1990 is more than 30 years now. India now changed a lot especially New Delhi our capital city.

    May 23, 2021 at 9:35 pm#870944
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Yes, I bet it has.

    May 24, 2021 at 6:02 pm#870971
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Multiple Researchers At Chinese Lab In Wuhan Were Hospitalized With COVID-19-Like Symptoms In November 2019: U.S. Intelligence Report

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/multiple-researchers-at-chinese-lab-in-wuhan-were-hospitalized-with-covid-19-like-symptoms-in-november-2019-u-s-intelligence-report?utm_source=heavennet

    What you were not allowed to utter is slowly coming to light.

    May 24, 2021 at 6:26 pm#870973
    gadam123
    Participant

    Yes you are right brother it seems COVID19 was man made. How pathetic it would be if it is proved. What havoc it has created on our lives especially in India. We lost many loved ones and many Christian Pastors and believers. It is so much deadly and fearful. Life is so much miserable here. The death count already crossed 300,000 by now in India and daily count is still more than 3700.

    May 28, 2021 at 12:16 pm#871004
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Totally agagree. China has been very irresponsible.

    May 30, 2021 at 6:30 pm#871050
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Explosive study claims to prove Chinese scientists created COVID

    It was during their COVID-19 vaccine research that the pair came across “unique fingerprints” indicating the virus didn’t come from nature, they said. The tell-tale clue: a rare finding in the COVID-carrying virus of a row of four amino acids, which give off a positive charge and bond to negative human cells. “The laws of physics mean that you cannot have four positively charged amino acids in a row,” Dalgleish told the Daily Mail. “The only way you can get this is if you artificially manufacture it.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/explosive-study-claims-to-prove-chinese-scientists-created-covid

    May 30, 2021 at 7:18 pm#871053
    gadam123
    Participant

    Oh! OMG….what is happening in my world? The so called world leaders are playing with innocent lives. In India all religious leaders are interpreting this Pandemic as God’s wrath. One thing I realised from this Pandemic is that there is no God or religion or creed which could answer the agony and tragedy. COVID19 brought all these so called religious leaders to keep mum and have no answers for this, as so many good Pastors and good Christians passed away during these days. So many children lost both their parents and many lost their earning member in the family. We lost the meaning of living in the world. The list go on and on….

    Has anyone have the answer to this man made Pandemic and Calamity?

    May 30, 2021 at 8:15 pm#871054
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Jesus said things like this would happen before the end.

    Luke 21:10.

    Then He continued by saying to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be massive earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrible sights and great signs from heaven.

    May 30, 2021 at 9:06 pm#871058
    gadam123
    Participant

    Hi Proclaimer,

    Then He continued by saying to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be massive earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrible sights and great signs from heaven.

    I know this is not the thread for arguing such theological Dogma. I don’t think Jesus was meant about these man made Pandemics. He was talking to the First Century crowds in their own context. Even if you take the latest Apocalyptic book Revelation it never talks about future times. All its imagery and symbols like horses, swords etc were all about its own time period the First and Second Centuries.

    Let’s depend on scientific information than these religious Dogma.

    June 5, 2021 at 8:27 pm#871289
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I know this is not the thread for arguing such theological Dogma. I don’t think Jesus was meant about these man made Pandemics. He was talking to the First Century crowds in their own context. Even if you take the latest Apocalyptic book Revelation it never talks about future times. All its imagery and symbols like horses, swords etc were all about its own time period the First and Second Centuries.

    That is not correct gadam. It was specifically about the end of the age. Yes Jesus predicted the siege of Jerusalem and some events that would take place before the end, even in the first century. He even said, that it wouldn’t be the end yet, then tells of signs that would signify that.

    Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

    As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

    As for the Book of Revelation, it is your decision to not hear the words of the prophecy.

    Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

    June 5, 2021 at 8:36 pm#871290
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    It’s crazy how Social Media banned and bans talk on the Coronavirus origin and now scientists are now saying it likely came from the Wuhan Lab.

    It seems the truth is not the truth till the elites tell us it is.

    propaganda

    June 5, 2021 at 9:14 pm#871292
    gadam123
    Participant

    Hi Proclaimer,

    That is not correct gadam. It was specifically about the end of the age. Yes Jesus predicted the siege of Jerusalem and some events that would take place before the end, even in the first century. He even said, that it wouldn’t be the end yet, then tells of signs that would signify that.

    I have shifted these arguments of yours on End of the age to “Question of Parousia of Jesus”

    Please check for my reply to your post there.

    June 6, 2021 at 2:00 pm#871316
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Thanks!

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