Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 17 2011,15:23)TO ALL,Mike is pushing his foolish point that it is possible to translate John 1:1c “and the Word was a god” because there is no definite article before the noun “God.”This is foolish and novice for that argument is cancelled out by John 8:54:“It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2011,19:22)We know that Jesus existed with divine nature and partook of human nature (flesh and blood) and returned to the glory he had before.t8But you are assuming that he gave up his “divine nature” to partake of human nature and then partake of divine nature again, is that right?WJ

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2011,18:07)Whereas you believe a creed which is not written in scripture thereby qualifying you as an adherent to that creed and a pupil of those who wrote it and administer it.t8Ha ha. You have your own creeds written on this sight. A creed is “a system of religious belief; a faith: people of many creeds and cultures”.Your…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2011,17:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2011,04:20)t8And you can't dispute the point that The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are qualitatively in nature, equally “God”. WJYes God and Jesus can be called theos/elohim qualitatively as can man, angel, even Satan.Your point?t8Once again you are evading the question and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Mar. 17 2011,06:56)In searching  for this answer, I find over and over and over, by experts, this type of statement:In English we also have an indefinite article, “a” (or “an” before words beginning with vowels.) In Greek there is no indefinite article. … So, if their is no “a”, it is not grammatically possible, because in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 16 2011,19:36)Thank you for the info on this scholar.  So now I have listed the words of a Trinitarian who also happens to be a Greek scholar.  And his words say the “a god” translation IS GRAMMITCALLY POSSIBLE.MikeThis is “one opinion” and the fact that Dr Harris, goes on to reject this translation (the Word was a god) o…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 16 2011,16:51)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2011,04:49)Quote (942767 @ Mar. 16 2011,12:37)Then you will acknowledge that the scriptures I posted show that the Holy Ghost is not ''THE THIRD PERSON OF A TRI-UNE GOD”.And because they do show this, I can be certain that Matthew 28:19 (The Tri-une formula) is not what Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2011,16:41)In other words yes I believe that he has or partakes in divine nature now as he did before he partook of human nature. I have said this many times.t8Okay please clarify.Where is the scripture that says Jesus “partook” or “partakes” of the divine nature?Isn't this more conjecture?Wasn't Jesus “divine” when he walked…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 23 2011,00:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,10:51) You have done the same thing to others here, including myself.  And instead of apologizing to her as you should have, you took offense to her rebuke and started an all out war with her over the matter.Hebrews 6:8Ps.120:7 I for peace: but when I speak, they are for w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2011,22:37)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 14 2011,13:58)Is satan of God? Is God satans God, or has he chosen to be an enemy of God?Everyone has the same God, Keith……….even Satan and Jesus.  Not everyone realizes this though.MikeThat is what is taught in “New Age” propaganda, in fact now you are agreeing with BD…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2011,03:28)But for this debate let's assume (for now) that none are angels and they are not sons of God at all. What is your point? If they are not sons of God, what bearing does this have on your argument?Hi t8The point of contention was you putting Jesus in the same context of other “sons of God” which you also claim can be…[Read more]

Hi AllFor further clarification on the topic “sons of God” I posted this in another thread….”Well the Hebrew text you quote does not read they are “angels” ( mal'ak) but rather the are “sons of God” (ben)The Hebrew word for “angels” is mal'ak and the Hebrew word for “sons of God” is ben.Please present a scripture that says “ben” is “mal'ak”!Of…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 16 2011,12:37)Then you will acknowledge that the scriptures I posted show that the Holy Ghost is not ''THE THIRD PERSON OF A TRI-UNE GOD”.And because they do show this, I can be certain that Matthew 28:19 (The Tri-une formula) is not what Jesus said.Yes MartyYou have made it abundantly clear that you have rejected Jesus words…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2011,04:23)I suppose next I am a Mormon because I believe in the existence of apostles? Or I am a Jew because like them, I believe in one God and not a Triune one.Hi t8Exactly, so then your statement…Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2011,18:35)The more you look at it WJ, the more that the Trinity Doctrine looks and smells like a Catholic d…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2011,04:16)The sons of God are mentioned two or three times in Job.Who are they?NIVOne day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.NLTOne day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the LORD, and the Accuser, Satan, came with them.ESVNow there was a day…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 15 2011,20:41)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,04:24)Yes t8But no Trinitarian says that he is “less God” qualitatively do they?”Those that are “honest” would admit that the word “God” in John 1:1c qualitatively says the Word is everything that God is?””The “DISHONEST” make the claim that the Word in John 1:1c is “less…[Read more]

Hi AllHere is some real “Scholarly” commentary by some real Biblical Hebrew and Greek Scholars on John 1:1…Or “and what God was the Word was.” Colwell’s Rule is often invoked to support the translation of θεός (qeos) as definite (“God”) rather than indefinite (“a god”) here. However, Colwell’s Rule merely permits, but does not demand, that a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2011,21:40)Let's add in David's point of the Coptic version:  Actual usage of the Sahidic Coptic noun “noute” in the Coptic New Testament strongly suggests that it is a count noun that, when bound with the Coptic indefinite article, should be translated into English as “a god.” For example, Coptic scholar George…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2011,21:40)C. H. Dodd says: “If a translation were a matter of substituting words, a possible translation of ; would be, “The Word was a god”. As a word-for-word translation it cannot be faulted.”Once again we have a Trinitarian who is a Protestant Theologian without any Biblical Hebrew or Greek credentials that we can…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2011,21:40)Murray J. Harris has written: “Accordingly, from the point of view of grammar alone, could be rendered “the Word was a god,….” -Jesus As God, 1992, p. 60.Hi MikeWell at least now you have a “Greek” scholar who just so happens to be a “Trinitarian”.  I wonder why? The thing is Dr Harris, goes on to reject…[Read more]