Quote (dirtyknections @ July 11 2008,00:55)Quote (chosenone @ July 10 2008,18:26)God created evil, scripture says so, Isaiah 45:7.  Read it yourself.isaiah 45:5-7…lemme explain this scripture to you'Evil,' as used here, refers to evil of a physical nature (storms), not moral evil.Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters, and…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ July 09 2008,11:49)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2008,11:41)Hi E,Potter and the clay. Some fit only for the fire.Others rescued unto His Purposeamen…Rom 9:11-24 ESV  though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad–in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 20 2008,13:50)Hi DK, I copied your post from another thread to here.”Trinity is the only Gnostic concept to have ever remained and taken root in mainstream Christian thinking. The word does not exist in the accepted books of the current New Testament. It is something alluded to in concept by the reiteration of the 2nd and…[Read more]

Hi allAnd they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, (sa`iyr) after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations. Lev 17:7Hebrew word for ‘devils, “sa`iyr” which is a masculine noun and means;2) he-goat, bucka) as sacrificial animalb) satyr, may refer to a demon possessed goat…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,09:38)WJ….read the last part of Job, it plainly say God brought all this evil on Job, if you notice it wasn't even Satan who brought the subject of Job, is was God , have you considered my servant Job, God planned the whole thing from start to finish.WJ… when my son was around 10  he and a friend He played…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi @ July 09 2008,09:18)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2008,10:15)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:38)Chosenone ….yes God did create Adversary's  or Satan's and God himself can be an adversary  at time saying to  go tell them i am against them.  Is there an actual being as a Satan i am not sure of that, I know Issac Newton at…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,08:57)WJ…..Show me (ONE) FREE WILL choice you Have made then. Let talk about that one FREE WILL Choice. Remember to be (FREE) means to be Free of any influences, or its not Free.FREE Will…..a human will acting spontaneously, or without external compulsion, pressure, or influence.                 b.. power o…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi @ July 09 2008,07:44)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2008,11:43)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,06:19)WJ….Satan's so to speaks kingdom is the whole earth which He deceives. For the whole earth lyes in deception. But besides , all the  sickness and illness are allowed and there fore caused by God. Before you go off by what is…[Read more]

Hi GBQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2008,11:19) . now ask yourself if it were not for these things that God caused and allows How could we ever come to understand what evil and good is.This is a confusing statement, for if God “caused it” how could he “allow it”?It is false GB to say that we have to learn evil in order to know good.Would that be…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,07:11)WJ….the voice i heard said (I) did it for your sake Gene. Here something else maybe you saw this on TV a few months ago, On a new reel, they had this camera set up in this street in Irac more like a ally and the shells and bombs were going of all over the place and these two little girls maybe 3 or 4…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,06:37)WJ….Men only chose from what already in them, that is the cause that drives there choices and there fore is NOT (FREE), FREE means something that is not affected by (ANY) influence of (ANY) kind. Mans WILL is effected by whats already in Him and the is the cause that causes His choices, come on you know…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,06:37)WJ….Men only chose from what already in them, that is the cause that drives there choices and there fore is NOT (FREE), FREE means something that is not affected by (ANY) influence of (ANY) kind. Mans WILL is effected by whats already in Him and the is the cause that causes His choices, come on you know…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,06:19)WJ….Satan's so to speaks kingdom is the whole earth which He deceives. For the whole earth lyes in deception. But besides , all the  sickness and illness are allowed and there fore caused by God. Before you go off by what is said, let me tell you a true story.my youngest daughter had a walking problem…[Read more]

Quote (Irene @ July 09 2008,06:21)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 09 2008,05:15)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:38)Chosenone ….yes God did create Adversary's  or Satan's and God himself can be an adversary  at time saying to  go tell them i am against them.  Is there an actual being as a Satan i am not sure of that, I know Issac Newton at…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:38)Chosenone ….yes God did create Adversary's  or Satan's and God himself can be an adversary  at time saying to  go tell them i am against them.  Is there an actual being as a Satan i am not sure of that, I know Issac Newton at first thought there was but after a long study of the subject He concluded the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:54)WJ…..and the word Causes is all over scripture and the oblivious result is effect. So don't give me that cause and effect is not scriptural. Here one just on of many, “For He (God) causes all thing to work together for the good of them that Love Him. I can give you a long list of cause  and effects if…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:48)Wj…..right and the reason is expressed in what (WORD) so look up the definition of Word and tell us what it means.GBI have. And none of the scholars indicate that “Word or Words” are intellect.in·tel·lect (plural in·tel·lects) noun  Definition:  1. mental ability: somebody's ability to think, reaso…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:45)Wj….> then i geuss Jesus was lying when he said the words (ARE) Spirit. If we believe intellect comes from God then how does it come from God is it not by Spirit> Tell us How do you try Spirits then if not by words a person speaks, they proceed from the spirit in Him.GBNo. Yeshua is not a liar. It is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 09 2008,03:46)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2008,04:22)Nick……..I just did, now show us where it isn't intellect. You Just want to be contrary it has nothing to do with truth at all. If you don't know what word mean the that not our fault it you problem. Look up what a word is, that should give you a clue.Hi…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 09 2008,04:06)WJ….so are you saying God is Stupid and void of intellect? I see Him as superior intellect and if we say he is and He is Spirit according to Jesus, then God is indeed intellect also. Tell me where i ever said thats all God was. But all his spirits are expression of intellects of some kind even His powers…[Read more]