Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 23 2008,06:16)Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 23 2008,07:30)Jesus was raised from the dead, not the God dead, or the half god sort of dead, but the dead of MAN. Notice how the death of Jesus is one and the same as the death of the rest of mankind, this is because Jesus was strictly a man. We have hope that as Jesus was a MAN RAISED, we to…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 23 2008,05:43)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 22 2008,10:09)Hi Jodi, Should we add our ideas to scripture?Satan has always tested men according to the will of God.  Lk2230That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 31And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ Dec. 19 2008,17:13)let me add that all these historical evidences are good for the strengthening of the faith of the already faithful…. when it comes to the bible being the word of God, I believe that ultimately it comes down to the Holy Spirit's illumination and conviction that the words are the words of God…. for more…[Read more]

Hi all The problem with this whole “eternal torments” phylosophy is the crime does not equal the penalty.God is a just God and strictly told Adam and Eve if they eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that they would die.Nowhere in the Hebrew (OT) scriptures is there even a hint of the wicked heretical doctrine of eternal torment…[Read more]

Hi GBQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2008,10:42)Spirit is simply Intellect or throught expressed through words.But you said that “words are spirit”.But now you are saying that Spirit (intellect or thought) is expressed “through” words.Is spirit words, or are words an expression of spirit? Which is it? A word can't be an expression of spirit and be…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 19 2008,17:05)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 19 2008,06:26)Goerg…….. I am not sure i am following you are we talking about the word Angles?…>Angles are (ministering) Spirits as scripture say, the question is what is a Spirit, as i have ask here several times, The only place i can find that defines Spirit is when…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 19 2008,06:13)I'm truly beginning to believe that the bible, the book, can become an idol to some…….Hi MandyI am sure that many would say the same of the Bereans.. however the scriptures tell us that they were more “noble”.“These were more noble” than those in Thessalonica, in that “they received the word with all…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 19 2008,04:00)Goerg…….. I am not sure i am following you are we talking about the word Angles?…>Angles are (ministering) Spirits as scripture say, the question is what is a Spirit, as i have ask here several times, The only place i can find that defines Spirit is when Jesus said ” the (WORDS) i am telling you…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 17 2008,08:59)WJJohn is saying that 2000 years ago, right at the very start, before the apostles were even dead,  there was false doctrine being delivered as truth ………….. and its had 2000 years.I am not saying I have all truth ….. I am here to discuss, learn, putting forth views, observations. I am suspicious about…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 15 2008,13:52)Irene, Thank you for your reply …….. It is not only my wanting fellowship with like minded believers it is also a concern for those in the churches, and also knowing that the pastors/ministers are looking out for people who will lead the flock astray. So I feel like I should warn but also not feeling strong…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 16 2008,15:46)meerkat….. i believe we were (not ) born sinners , little children are not sinners, as they grow they are influenced by the knowledge that in the world . John said it right, “for (ALL) that is in the world, the LUST of he Flesh, and the Lust of the eyes and the pride of Life , are (FROM) the WORLD ,and…[Read more]

Hi ALLThe Holy Spirit is not just some magical amorphous impersonal Spirit. In fact to depersonalize the Spirit by reducing him to an “it” or a “thing” I think does serious violence to the scriptures and insults the Lord who is that Spirit.This subject is another reason why biblically the Trinitarian view is the only view that can reconcile all of…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 13 2008,06:49)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2008,13:51)Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 12 2008,12:43)Nick,Mandy's faith in Jesus seems strong, her faith in fallible man does not appear strong – she seems to be testing ALL things and holding fast to that is good.Foundation is the bible or Jesus? 1 Cor 1Cr 3:10According to the grace…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 12 2008,18:10)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2008,13:51)It is the scriptures with the help of the Spirit of truth that will keep the believer from falling. Jesus who is the “living Word” is the foundation.With all due respect, bro, I can honestly say that this has not been totally true for me.The Scriptures have not kep…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 12 2008,12:43)Nick,Mandy's faith in Jesus seems strong, her faith in fallible man does not appear strong – she seems to be testing ALL things and holding fast to that is good.Foundation is the bible or Jesus? 1 Cor 1Cr 3:10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 12 2008,09:39)Quote (dirtyknections @ Dec. 11 2008,03:30) ..Ok my friends…I have been doing a lot of soul searching and I have a very serious question for the Heaven.net family…Alright here goes….(takes deep breath)How do you know that the bible is REALLY God's word?Now before you answer the question let me clarify…I…[Read more]

Quote (epistemaniac @ Dec. 10 2008,16:37)“Sacred Namers are a group largely professing to be Torah Observant Gentiles, who believe that the only source of power and righteousness in creation is the use (and frequent use at that) of the Holy Name which the Creator gave to Moses on Mount Sinai. This group routinely pronounces anyone who does not use…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 11 2008,15:27)HI E, Despite your cry that it it is justified you are only revealing the same bias as the authors. Do not add to what is written.Hi NHIt is you who has the bias against what is written.WJ

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 11 2008,11:41)Hi WJ, Jesus is not written in the manuscripts. Many such as yourself would like it there. We do not add to what is written do we?HI NHAhh, BUT YOU DO ADD TO WHAT IS WRITTEN, for you say that John's reference to Isaiah seeing the Lord is God the Father when the scriptures clearly teach no man has seen the…[Read more]

Hi allThis is another example of men denying what is written by claiming corruption.Its kind of hard to prove that something existed when someone claims it was supposedly destroyed.Many here I am sure have never heard of Cecil the Centurion that had an original copy of John that had a quote of Jesus saying “I am YHWH”. It was destroyed by the…[Read more]