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    Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two…[Read more]

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    trettep replied to the topic Revelation in the forum Prophecy 19 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2005,21:27)Not necessarily Is, If Christians fall into apostasy and worship the “beast” as God when he is revealed would that not be similar?Now your on the right track. Paul

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    Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. What do you think? Is it a literal 3 days and a half or is it 3 and half years?Paul

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    I'm getting much closer to nailing down Enoch's calendar. When I do I will try to put up a link to explain it a bit and release an excel spreadsheet that I have been working on. Maybe later I will develop a full blown set of webpages to explain it. I got another section that I hope to cover on the next Sabbath. I made a mistake in an earlier…[Read more]

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    Thanks Nick. That is well spoken. I commend you for not debating the issue and understanding my position as well as I do yours.Paul

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    As for all the Spirtual Gifts they are not to be expected in the newborn babes that are on the milk. However, on the day of Pentacost the reason that the Apostles had these Gifts is because they were no longer on milk. The Gift couldn't be given or used in vain. I believe everyone can have these Gifts and desire so but only for doing the Will…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2005,18:11)Quote (trettep @ Mar. 31 2005,13:26)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2005,03:47)Paul, You have avoided my question again.Of course Jesus also said to the apostles in Jn 12.10with regard to the symbolism of forgiveness received through baptism.” He who has BATHED needs only to wash his feet, but is completely…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 31 2005,03:47)Paul, You have avoided my question again.Of course Jesus also said to the apostles in Jn 12.10with regard to the symbolism of forgiveness received through baptism.” He who has BATHED needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean;and you are clean.””Eph 5.24f” Husbands love your wives, just as Christ…[Read more]

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2005,23:37)Hi Paul, Certainly we are told not to quench the Spirit and not to grieve the Spirit. David pleaded that the Spirit not be taken from him. But does the NT ever say we can lose the Spirit?If one is disobedient to God's laws willfully they take on the spirit of disobedience. A spirit is a state of character.…[Read more]

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    Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, Consider the word water there. Can you name anyone that Jesus baptized with physical water himself? And if not – why not? After all Jesus was setting an example.Paul

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    Yes I believe in that sign of the Old Covenant. I still maintain that the Holy Spirit IS the Water baptism of the pure water. The water baptism was a type of this baptism. Otherwise, if the water baptisms truely represented these things then they would have been performed before the new Sign was in effect. Therefore, even more so is the Holy…[Read more]

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    trettep replied to the topic Revelation in the forum Prophecy 19 years, 8 months ago

    Can you show me where it says that God requires a sign?Paul

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    Quote (t8 @ Mar. 29 2005,11:04)To trettep, I would say that we can be saved now. But that we can lose it. If we hold onto it till we die then we cannot lose it after that.Revelation 3:5He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his…[Read more]

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    trettep replied to the topic Revelation in the forum Prophecy 19 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2005,23:07)Hi Paul, Good stuff. I guess in a jewish court of Law two witnesses attest to facts concerning a third party, the person accused. But Jesus certainly said two witnesses are sufficient in John 8.17 and that included himself, the person whose veracity was in question by the Jews. Or perhaps both the Father and…[Read more]

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    trettep replied to the topic Revelation in the forum Prophecy 19 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2005,22:14)Quote (trettep @ Mar. 30 2005,12:41)You must remember in the New Testament God wants us to worship in the Spirit and practice His Laws in the Spirit on fleshy tables of the heart.  Those that do ARE the testimony.  Because its through Faith in Jesus Christ that they do so.  That is why there were two ta…[Read more]

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    trettep replied to the topic Revelation in the forum Prophecy 19 years, 8 months ago

    You must remember in the New Testament God wants us to worship in the Spirit and practice His Laws in the Spirit on fleshy tables of the heart. Those that do ARE the testimony. Because its through Faith in Jesus Christ that they do so. That is why there were two tables of stone in the Old Covenant called the Testimony and that is why there is…[Read more]

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    Sackcloth was a sign of sadness from the things I have read. It means they will be in grief when they prophecy. I think you starting to get on the right track.Paul

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    Quote (stroshow @ Mar. 27 2005,06:01)What about2 Corinthians 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all?I would actually find that in agreement with the fact that the Holy Spirit is the divine character. One still must have the Holy Spirit within them to be a member of…[Read more]

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    Those verses are true but only in the hope of salvation. One is an heir to salvation. Its like being given the keys to a car but you haven't received the car yet but the car is yours when you get it. However, if for some reason you reject the person giving you the car – they are not going to give you the car even though you had the keys.Heb…[Read more]

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    Quote (stroshow @ Mar. 27 2005,00:34)Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy SpiritLuke 3:21-22 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form…[Read more]

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