Hi Seeking.  Thankyou for your post.OK, my thoughts:1) Angels are Spirits – they are messenging Spirits2) Heaven is the realm of the Incorporeal Being – Spirits3) God 'Opened' the eyes of Balaam… The Angel Spirit in bodily form was there all the time and the donkey saw it.  But Balaam's eyes were closed by his desire to do wickedness (He was i…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll. 'Wickedness' is not 'Personal' to an Angel alone.  Humans also can be possessed of 'Spiritual Wickedness'.  This then nullifies your argument.  Humans also have 'Spiritual Abilities'.  So this also nullifies your argument.Hi Seeking, have to read your post later.

Hi Mikeboll.The ability of a Spirit to manifest a body was presented as your evidence of the use of the word 'Spiritual' in context of Spirit Beings in Heaven.  Mikeboll, why?  'Ability' is not a thing that is 'Spiritual' – you need not even have used the word in 'angels have the (Spiritual) ability to manifest a body…'   This was not an ex…[Read more]

Hi Terraricca.Thanks got your post, it was very revealing.  In fact I don't think you know how much… You rightly outline the following:  (By the way, you are again trying to teach me about what I know)1) There will be 144k in the first resurrection who serve with Jesus in Heaven for 1000 years2) in that time Satan will be bound in a symbolic p…[Read more]

Hi Mikeboll.Are you saying that you now believe that a Bodiless (Incorporeal) Spirit can manifest a body (Corporeal) in the physical world?'Angels seeing the Face of God'…What has that to do with being Spiritual? Are you just adding the word 'Spiritual' to anything you can think of instead of constructing valid and viable evidence?Mikeboll, your…[Read more]

Thank you all for your responses – there were some really powerfull posts.  Again thankyou.  Just remember though please, the only requirement is to answer the questions as you see fit.  No debate is asked to be entered into.  Thanks.As a friendly reminder:Quote Hi all. This is an open offer to answer the questions below in an honest and Chr…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2012,00:33)Quote (toby @ Feb. 05 2012,05:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2012,12:24)Is is possible for the term “spiritual” to refer to something that BELONGS TO a spirit being?  YES or NO?Mikeboll, I think you should know by now that I would not answer such a question with a 'Yes' or 'No' answer.Why?  It is either p…[Read more]

Hi Terraricca.  You seem not to want to present anything of your thoughts on the issue you present but ask questions only.  How about you outline what you think will be the fate of mankind and of the Earth.Here are a few pointers:1) God purposed that man should develop the earth in the style given to him as examples by the Garden of Eden.- God w…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2012,10:09)tobyQuote Seeking, do you know that all of mankind will have spiritual bodies when they are raised from the dead?  Even those who are to dwell on Paradise Earthcould you help me to find the scriptures for this view ,it seems I can't remember where it is PierreTerrarica, it's how I understand it through…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2012,12:24)Is is possible for the term “spiritual” to refer to something that BELONGS TO a spirit being?  YES or NO?Mikeboll, I think you should know by now that I would not answer such a question with a 'Yes' or 'No' answer.However, here is my response:Here are a number of references to 'Spiritual x'.  Can you o…[Read more]

Gene, do all the (other) things John writes concerning Jesus not give an aire of a messenger – Jesus delivering the message from God that was given to him.  Jesus repeatedly states such as: '…As you sent me into the world…'  (From where?  There is a choice of Heaven or … Don't know!) and '…For I have given them the words which you have gi…[Read more]

Mikeboll, what does this mean in John 17: 24: '…Father, I desire that they also whom you gave me may be with me where I am that they may behold my glory which you gave me…'  Where was Jesus when he said this?  Also, he had just asked God to Glorify him, yet here in this verse he is saying he already has that glory.  And we know that that gl…[Read more]

Hi Seeking.Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 05 2012,01:05)'A Spirit in a Spirit Body' – where do you get that from?I don't believe in a “spirit” body, I do however believe that some spirits have bodies (big difference). I.E. We are bodies with spirits Yes.  Some spirits have bodies, that is quite obvious.  Genesis 1 states that God created the man and b…[Read more]

Hi Seeking. Your examples of sightings of Angels are (By your own words) 'Manifestations of the Spirit'.  Every one of them.   What is a manifestation?   You yourself said that the ((Incorporeal)) Spirit manifests a corporeal body in the physical world.  Please understand your own words.  You said that Jesus is in Heaven, which is the abode of t…[Read more]

Thank you Mikeboll for your reply.

To all,Could there be a reason why this thread cannot focus on '(Heavenly) Spirits With bodies?'?I think I know why.

Gene, I don't agree with you on 'Glory before the world began' but it IS an interesting point. There should have been an 'Again' somewhere in that sentence.

Mikeboll, you are perfectly entitled to not post in this thread and your summarisation that getting to the bottom of the thread question will not save our lives is, in the main, partially correct.You say that we all know your views on this question – but do we?  It would be nice if you could summarise what exactly you do believe.  An outline of i…[Read more]

Seeking:Jesus is a Spirit in Heaven now.  I would urge you not to make this a point of expanded discussion.  It's just distraction.All beings in Heaven are Spirits – the question is: “Do they have bodies!”So far the following has been established:1) God does not… (But, metaphorically only, the 'Body' of God is the whole of creation and as such a…[Read more]

Hi Seeking.  You make some interesting points, thankyou.  However, like the views of some others, they don't all add up to me..'A Spirit in a Spirit Body' – where do you get that from?What is it that is raised up from the dead?What is it that is made glorious?What is it that is made Powerful?What is it that becomes Spiritual?Ccn you show proof o…[Read more]