tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Ed J
“Hi Tigger,
Do you believe this verse is true?
And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW THEE the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3)
The verse is saying: Eternal life is knowing JEHOVAH and Jesus Christ whom he has sent – do you agree?”
….
miia
“How can you Know that?
The ‘a’ was not in the orig…[Read more]tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Ed J
“Hi Tigger,
Do you believe this verse is true?
And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW THEE the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3)
The verse is saying: Eternal life is knowing JEHOVAH and Jesus Christ whom he has sent – do you agree?”
….
miia
“How can you Know that?
The ‘a’ was not in the orig…[Read more]tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Very true, Nick. The only Most High God is the Father (John 17:3). But if you will examine lesson B above, you will find that, although there is only one person who is God (the Father alone, Jehovah alone), other persons were called gods or a god in scripture. And many of these were not false gods, but persons whom God had assigned to va…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Very true, Nick. The only Most High God is the Father. But if you will examine lesson B above, you will find that, although there is only one person who is God (the Father alone, Jehovah alone), other persons were called gods or a god in scripture. And many of these were not false gods, but persons whom God had assigned to various duties (k…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
“Hi Tigger,
“Are you the author?”
Yes, I Am.
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Clearly, I believe (know) that John 1:1c is properly translated as “and the Word was a god.”
If you have any questions about the necessity for this translation as carefully examined in the first 5 Lessons (A-E) above, please ask. I suggest you start with the first lesson only (A) and continue with it until any and all questions you may have a…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c in the forum Scriptural Teachings 9 years, 6 months ago
Clearly, I believe (know) that John 1:1c is properly translated as “and the Word was a god.”
If you have any questions about the necessity for this translation as carefully examined in the first 5 Lessons (A-E) above, please ask. I suggest you start with the first lesson only (A) and continue with it until any and all questions you may have a…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
EdJ: Please no speeches, just answer “Yes” or “no”
<strong class=”bbcode-strong”>“Begotten” means God has a son, right?<span class=”bbcode-color” style=”color: white;”>…</span>Ps. 90:2 Before the mountains were <b>born</b>, or ever You <b>gave birth </b>to the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting You <i>are </i>God – <i>KJ3…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
This may be helpful in examining the scriptures in the above post:
Matt. 24:8 – This is normally translated “beginning of birth pangs,” but never “ruler of” or “source of”!
But we can also find these Trinitarian renderings:
“All these things are like the first pains of childbirth.” – GNT.
“These things are like the first pains when someth…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
This may be helpful in examining the scriptures in the above post:
Matt. 24:8 – This is normally translated “beginning of birth pangs,” but never “ruler of” or “source of”!
But we can also find these Trinitarian renderings:
“All these things are like the first pains of childbirth.” – GNT.
“These things are like the first pains when someth…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
This may be helpful in examining the scriptures in the above post:
Matt. 24:8 – This is normally translated “<b>beginning</b> of birth pangs,” but never “ruler of” or “source of”!
But we can also find these Trinitarian renderings:
“All these things are like the <b>first</b> pains of childbirth.” – GNT.
“These things are like the <b>firs…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
@LU
This is the third time you have ignored the following:
This is just as I pointed out from scripture in an earlier post above (February 13, 2015 at 2:26 pm).
It is used as a noun which governs a genitive noun
(‘beginning of —-’) And so are the following examples:
Matt. 24:8 δὲ ταῦτα ἀρχὴ ὠδίνων
NASB: these things are the beginning of b…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
@LU
This is the third time you have ignored the following:
This is just as I pointed out from scripture in an earlier post above (February 13, 2015 at 2:26 pm).
It is used as a noun which governs a genitive noun
(‘beginning of —-’) And so are the following examples:
Matt. 24:8 δὲ ταῦτα ἀρχὴ ὠδίνων
NASB: these things are the beginning of b…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
@LU
This is the third time you have ignored the following:
This is just as I pointed out from scripture in an earlier post above (February 13, 2015 at 2:26 pm).
It is used as a noun which governs a genitive noun
(‘beginning of —-’) And so are the following examples:
Matt. 24:8 δὲ ταῦτα ἀρχὴ ὠδίνων
NASB: these things are the beginning of b…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
Yes, it is used as a noun in Greek.
But insisting on a strictly noun meaning in English is just a diversion from the intended meaning. If one points to a certain coin in a collection and says “that is the beginning of my collection,” or a man says about his father, “I am the beginning of his children,” the meaning of ‘first one’ is clear wheth…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
Yes, it is used as a noun in Greek.
But insisting on a strictly noun meaning in English is just a diversion from the intended meaning. If one points to a certain coin in a collection and says “that is the beginning of my collection,” or a man says about his father, “I am the beginning of his children,” the meaning of ‘first one’ is clear wheth…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
Yes, it is used as a noun. It is used as a noun which governs a genitive noun
(‘beginning of —-’) And so are the following examples:
Matt. 24:8 δὲ ταῦτα ἀρχὴ ὠδίνων
NASB: these things are the beginning of birth pangs.
ἀρχὴ of… means the first of the birth pangs.
Gen. 49:3 Ρουβην, πρωτότοκός μου σύ, … καὶ ἀρχὴ τέκνων μου – LXX
Reuben, yo…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 8 months ago
Yes, it is used as a noun. It is used as a noun which governs a genitive noun
(‘beginning <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>of —-</span>’) And so are the following examples:
Matt. 24:8 δὲταῦταἀρχὴ ὠδίνων NASB: these things are the beginning of birth pangs.
ἀρχὴ <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>of</span>… means the first of [Read more]
tigger replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
There is a huge difference between “the beginning” and “the beginner.” In the scriptures (as well as in our everyday language) “the beginning of ….” refers to the very first one in the category of those who are mentioned after the word “of.”
So Jesus (the Son) is not claiming to be the beginner of creation, but rather the first one (the…[Read more]
tigger replied to the topic Was God Manifest in the Flesh? in the forum Truth or Tradition 10 years ago
Gene,
Ro. 1:20, NASB:
“For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.”
KJV: “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the thing…[Read more]
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