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Where is God ? Duh ! He is everywhere and anywhere… I would think that he lives and dwells in the hearts of those who know him and love him…

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Quote (charity @ Feb. 17 2013,09:12)

Would agree that Jewish Museum would be look far better with some of there BC National treasures RETURNED. rather Than filled with holocaust war movies an torture weapons. http://www.science.co.il/jewish-museums.asp http://www.science.co.il/Museums.asp

Charity …. A good start would be to identify the pedigree of those claiming to be from the seed of Sem (Shem) as opposed to those who are not.. There are counterfeits who are descendants of Japath (Ashenazi) and are in fact not part of the 12 tribes…

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 18 2013,01:09)

OK …. The point is ?

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Quote (Stu @ Feb. 16 2013,08:33)

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 15 2013,23:51) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 15 2013,20:28) Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 15 2013,00:45) Stu …. Diversecity in and of itself is what makes up this world we live in …. it is tolerance that is the most demanding requisite,of which our very nature is opposed to… You cannot legislate tolerance… Dictators by nature are in tolerant …. The elixir of the masses in our free western world is liberty of which we have confused with license and for that we will loose our freedom… theodorej!  Long time! I like your statement against ideological totalitarianism. Unfortunately christianity is exactly that. How many ways are there to god, for example? Stuart Stu … Christianity is a way of life …. The proof that we are awash in confusion over just what christianity is evident by the many versions there are… and… can you believe it …. they all correct in their doctrine because it “says it here in the Bible”….Jesus graced this planet to speak to organized religion and the dangers it imposed and those in charge killed him…. This was part of Gods plan to show us The Way… and… that was to emulate the life of this carpenters son who held to the Law (Torah) NOT the Talmud..Most of Jesus' followers were Jews… Matthew 16:18-19 Stuart

Stu …. posting with you is like having my brain run a 6 minute mile … an invigorating work out…

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 15 2013,22:11)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 15 2013,23:28) theodorej!  Long time! I like your statement against ideological totalitarianism. Unfortunately christianity is exactly that. How many ways are there to god, for example? Stuart If you possess any logic, ask yourself this. What is the ratio of truth vs a lie. e.g., 1+ 1=2 Or 1+1=3 1+1=4 … It is clear that there is truth and then there is an abundance of ways to lie. One truth. It is logical and self evident. You failed again Stu. One day you might win on a point. But to do that, you need to let go of your emotions that make you rebel against all that is true. You need to settle down and think about the answer. I know you can do it. You don't even need to be intelligent. Just sensible. And all can be sensible if they choose. I wish you the best in that endevour.

t8 …. Mathmatics has never been my long suit …. Truth verses logic is a loaded question simply because Truth defies human logic … that is why the forces of evil have triumphed in our culture…

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Quote (Stu @ Feb. 15 2013,20:28)

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 15 2013,00:45) Stu …. Diversecity in and of itself is what makes up this world we live in …. it is tolerance that is the most demanding requisite,of which our very nature is opposed to… You cannot legislate tolerance… Dictators by nature are in tolerant …. The elixir of the masses in our free western world is liberty of which we have confused with license and for that we will loose our freedom… theodorej!  Long time! I like your statement against ideological totalitarianism. Unfortunately christianity is exactly that. How many ways are there to god, for example? Stuart

Stu … Christianity is a way of life …. The proof that we are awash in confusion over just what christianity is evident by the many versions there are… and… can you believe it …. they all correct in their doctrine because it “says it here in the Bible”….Jesus graced this planet to speak to organized religion and the dangers it imposed and those in charge killed him…. This was part of Gods plan to show us The Way… and… that was to emulate the life of this carpenters son who held to the Law (Torah) NOT the Talmud..Most of Jesus' followers were Jews…

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 15 2013,08:02)

Hi Ted, Please don't take this personally but this particular thread is a  one on one conversation between Bo and myself. Your post will be deleted most likely because of that and to not cause confusion. Maybe you can copy and paste your questions in another topic that is open to all in this regards. Bo is involved in quite a few threads. Thanks for understanding! God bless, Kathi

Sorry about that Kathi… If Bo read the post he can answer in another thread Iam sure..

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Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 14 2013,23:22)

Quote Zechariah 13:6 Context NETBible Then someone will ask him, ‘What are these wounds on your chest?’ 1  and he will answer, ‘Some that I received in the house of my friends.’ XREF 1Ki 18:28; Ps 22:16; Pr 27:5,6; Joh 18:35; Joh 19:14-16; Re 13:16,17; Re 14:11 NET © Notes 1 tn Heb “wounds between your hands.” Cf. NIV “wounds on your body”; KJV makes this more specific: “wounds in thine hands.” sn These wounds on your chest. Pagan prophets were often self-lacerated (Lev 19:28; Deut 14:1; 1 Kgs 18:28) for reasons not entirely clear, so this false prophet betrays himself as such by these graphic and ineradicable marks. .' HEBREW o ybham tyb ytykh rsa rmaw Kydy  ;type of wound Nyb hlah twkmh hm wyla rmaw (13:6) .' look it up ; Quote I don't know how? Yes I checked it out on this Jewish site that hates the KJV translation.   they claim the original Hebrew interprets Quote “What are these wounds between your hands?” And he shall say, “Because I was beaten in the house of those who love me.” Therefore, they claim; Quote “interesting to note that most other Christian translations have retained the more general concept of someone with contusions on his upper body – chest & back – which is consistent with the meaning of the Hebrew text. So anyway, these Jews that hate Christianity, (enemies of Christ) are the final authority on the word and how it should be interpreted.  They are the ones with the true knowledge and we should all listen to them when giving advice on God's Word in translating the holy scriptures because they are the chosen people and experts in the Hebrew language and on bible matters. I THINK NOT.

Greetings Journey …. We need to take a close look at these so called Jews … Who in and of themselves took the very law (Torah) that was given to them by the eternal and trashed it with their version of what they think God was instructing them to do …. They live by the Talmud … man made to accomodate the sinfull deceitfull nature that is them…The true Jew is a spiritual one who keeps the commandments…. Prophecy will become very clear when God sees fit to give the seeker the wisdom to understand..

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 13 2013,11:21) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 11 2013,18:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,06:14)  Can you read me a scripture that says, “Satan is not the God of Abraham”?   satan is not GOD by nature. he is the enemy of God. satan is the god of this world and not God do you have common sense mike? Do not explain, boy.  Can you read the scripture or not? well if that is what you want you want me to read to you that satan is the enemy of God. that satan is the god of this WORLD and not God. here are the verses Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) james 4.7 Submit therefore to God and stand against Satan, and he will flee from you. New Living Translation (©2007) 2 cor 4.4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. did you read that boy? that is a word for word in the bible. study hard LOL

Jammin …. Right you are… Satan is the God of this world and the proof need not be in writing …it is in plain sight… Look around …there is nothing but confusion…starting with organized religion… God is not the author of confusion…

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Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,19:58)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2013,08:48) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,01:05) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2013,21:29) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 13 2013,11:28) To  all, Quote Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm? The answer is in the question though no one in this hypothetical conversation  saw it. Quote Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill Bad things proof the hearts of men. God is striving to heal the ill spirits of man. K you miss understood the story ,I guess read it again T and all, The hypothetical seems to be designed to advance the cause of blind faith. I instead believe in inspired faith. My soul knows God exists and is Loving and instructs and orders me to be Loving.  I was created knowing them though they were concealed by my corrupt spirit and required God to refine me to obtain. This is a conversation about God and not about me. K Quote I instead believe in inspired faith. could explain this to me ,??? T, 1) The evidence supporting inspired faith is the inspiration of God. 2) The evidence supporting blind faith is none. In the second case you do not test the spirit of what you believe and teach. In the first case you are compelled to until you get fed.

Kerwin …. Belief in things unseen with the hope for things to come… sounds pretty blind to me…

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2013,07:24)

I have learned that when people continue to preach lies even after they are exposed it is because they are so self-absorbed that they just can't face the fact that they are wrong. So pride makes them continue in their error.

t8 …. An over simplification …. LIARs are deliberate and their lies are repeated because their intention is to deceive and mislead… We need not go any further for a definition of a lie than the father of lies himself…

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 11 2013,10:57)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2013,14:41) Hello Bo, you said: Quote Jesus didn't say tht the word of God was the way, he said “I am the way” he was speaking as Jesus but can you een tell me where the Bible says that the “word of God” spoke to Noah? Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. Bo, this verse in Rev 19 is saying that Jesus is called by the name 'The Word of God?' Hence the 'Word of God' is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Him. John 14:6 Also, Moses and Noah obeyed the Word of God, true or false? Quote Also if you use your own theory then all who came through Moses came through Jesus an therefore all who come through hearing the “word of God” is coming through Jesus evn if thy had never heard his name or accepted him as Christ so all Jews have come through Jesus by way of Moses according to you logic, right? I'm not sure what you are asking here. If you are suggesting that the people who had obeyed God's Word as spoken by Moses,  came to God through the Word of God even though they did not know the name of Jesus, well, I would say yes. They came to God through Jesus as the 'Word of God.' John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Many did not obey the Word of God which came through the prophets nor did they obey the Word of God after He became flesh. In fact, the prophets of old were persecuted and not obeyed by the Jewish fathers. Acts 7:51“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. 52Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, 53you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.” If what you are saying is correct then how is it you reject Islam? You persecute and deny the prophet Muhammad as they did in the day of Jesus. What basis do you reject the prophet Muhammad on?

Greetings Bo …. It has been a while… I have a few questions that perhaps you can answer and allow me to go forward with my research… In the Koran was Jerusalem ever the focal point in the establishing of the organized religion we know as Islam…My next question is who are the Meccans ? My last question is… could you give me your understanding of this passage SURA 3:79 …. thanks / good to be back

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2013,23:54)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 14 2013,13:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 13 2013,23:35) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 13 2013,21:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 11 2013,23:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 11 2013,19:51) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2013,08:50) people follow themselves in the fruits of their own heart just like you and I ,the outcome will be seen much later Is that a threat on behalf of your violent Imaginary Friend? Stuart Stu. Mankind have a spititual illness,and that is greed selfserving, following the lust of the flesh,make war for greed,and therefore harming self and others. This decease needs a cure. It is your choice to take that medicine or refuse to take it. If you refuse,you will die of the decease. Peace to all must come from within. If man has found peace inside,then the world will live in peace. The prince of peace can teach you how to have peace. wakeup. What a load of evil philosophy.  You seek a utopia that is perfect for you and misery for anyone who disagrees with you.  And I suspect if you ever suffered the misfortune of living in this perfect universe of your head you would begin to see how evil it really is. Humans are selfserving but are also kind, generous and selfless.  If we didn't think lustfully at least some of the time we wouldn't exist as a species.  We are continually harming one another and ourselves because we aren't superbeings, we are the products of natural selection, with all the shortcuts and half-measures that process stumbles upon. So, we can all be Eeyores about it, and mope and complain and even suggest snake oil treatments in the form of humans nailed to trees, but what we are talking about is the joy and the difficulties of being humans. Now, to the cure.  If it is a peaceful existence we would like, well this is thought to be the most peaceful time ever for humans.  Is that a result of christianity?  Christianity has had 2000 years to make a difference.  Has it?  No.  What we have had more recently is Enlightenment-type thinking and modern technology, both of which have actually rolled back the dominance of christianity.  This is what has brought (or forced) peace to us.  It is still the monotheists who cause most of the problems in the name of their gods. Stuart Stu.. Religion is not what I am for,it causes war,for greed.Religion is not about God,but it is using God for own gain. So you don't stand to gain personally from your belief in your god? Quote I am for the creator that made us;  He also gave us a choice,to live caring for others, or just to live for our selves. I choose to live caring for others, as well as enjoying my life.  That does not involve either a “creator” or a man being nailed to a tree. Quote God has given us an instruction book. Read the instructions. It tells me what I may do to my slaves.  What if I don't have any slaves? Quote Man has never lived in peace,because man dont know how to.They know how o fly to the moon,but to make peace they dont know. With philosophy like that I fear you would drown in the shallowest puddle. Quote Each person need to have peace on the inside ,and then we can have peace. Couldn't agree more.  Perhaps you could tell that to all the monotheists who want to blow us up in the name of their god.  They are quite encouraged by the fact that you believe in a single god too. Stuart Stu. I suppose you consider your parents as slave drivers when they force you to go tho school and study. And make you do you home chores. If they have left you to do as you please during your growing up,you would end up becoming your own enemy. Living as slaves working for your boss. God is teaching us his way so we dont become our own enemy,living with no purpose in life. Wondering around like lost souls with no purpose. You like to be your own God,but have no power to make peace with yourself,and others. In times of trouble,can you depend on your self? Can you imagine a world run by atheist? You dont have to,because you can see whats happening in this world. wakeup.

Greetings Wakeup ….. I don't have to imagine a world run by atheists …. Iam living in it…. The very definition of an atheist describes the leadership of this world…. Organized religion has confused the masses by teaching a different Gospel… God is not trying to save this world…. if he was … he just would…because he is God and nothing is impossible with God.

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Quote (t8 @ Jan. 25 2013,20:14) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2013,21:20) Stu, that is why God takes people out of existence. Because they don't want God to have any right over them. I already knew your god was a murderer and a bully. Do you think counseling would help it to understand diversity? Stuart One thing you say that is right. There is much diversity in imperfection which is sin. But perfection is a far better way and certainly lacks not in diversity.[/quote] The purity of perfection is the perfection of the fascist totalitarian state. New Zealanders fought, and killed, and died in several wars that opposed exactly that ideology.  Maybe people from your family fought alongside people from mine, I don't know. But here you are abusing their memory by promoting exactly what Mussolini, Hitler and Pavelić promoted.  Mussolini even had things painted white as a symbol of his intolerance for what he considered non-ideological impurity. On the other hand, the history-ignorant members of the Destiny church march in this country in the black of the British fascists. The Croatian puppet dictator Pavelić would have had you converted to Catholicism at gunpoint. I find one has to be so careful what one wishes for.  I'd suggest you might consider that carefully given the freedoms you currently enjoy in this diverse, non-fascist, non-totalitarian Western democracy, and the blood our relatives shed to preserve them. Stuart

Stu …. Diversecity in and of itself is what makes up this world we live in …. it is tolerance that is the most demanding requisite,of which our very nature is opposed to… You cannot legislate tolerance… Dictators by nature are in tolerant …. The elixir of the masses in our free western world is liberty of which we have confused with license and for that we will loose our freedom…

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Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 13 2013,12:44) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,14:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,19:55) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,21:08) According to this logic, if Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus was conceived if He really must be like every other father and son, according to you. Kathi, The act of conception is an ACT.  That means that at some point in time, it HAPPENS. So at one point, there was just God.  And then, through the ACT of conception (or whatever), there was Jesus. The idea that Jesus was in the process of being conceived inside of God from eternity is not supported by any scripture, nor does it even make sense.  Worse than that, it is actually contradicted by more than a few scriptures.   I realize that you believe things like this, because you WANT TO believe them.  And that is why I gave you that little list in my last post – the list of things scripture DOES say.  I think it would be good for you to deal with the things scripture DOES say, and build your understanding around those things. Mike, this is not supported by any scripture: Quote So at one point, there was just God.  And then, through the ACT of conception (or whatever), there was Jesus. you also said: Quote The idea that Jesus was in the process of being conceived inside of God from eternity is not supported by any scripture, nor does it even make sense.  Worse than that, it is actually contradicted by more than a few scriptures.   I don't know anyone that teaches that Jesus was in the process of being conceived inside of God from eternity. Where do you come up with these things? “God is one”” Iam that Iam” “Iam the alpha and the omega” these are just a few of the many names and adages that tell us that the eternal “IS” and there is none other…. The trinity is a concept that is routed from the beginning of the universal church…. God is spirit and holy spirit is the very essence of him …. The third party is a result of carnal understanding with out any consideration for the fact that Gods ways are higher than ours and anything is possible with God as well as nothing being possible without him… Hi Ted, I'm glad you are gracing the forum with your comments again!   I would like to know what you think John 1:1 is talking about when it mentions two that are God.

Kathi …. My self being pragmatic as well as logical here is what I can come up with ….. The Guardian of Divinity aka God and multiple other names, left us with a book of instruction and in it he was very specific he said “Iam that Iam” and there are none other like him… “He stated numerous times that he is one”…. My deduction in light of the many misleading interpretations of scripture is this …. In John 1:1 we are told that Jesus is the word… In other scriptures we are told that “The word became flesh” and so no…. If you could imagine this “That every thing you said became reality”it would be by your word things would be happening…when you apply this concept with childlike belief(something we all once had when we were growing up)It is not hard to see the Eternal as one… Being spirit in state and power and by virtue of every word he creates…. Jesus is and was the essence of his word ,who became flesh…The personage of Jesus (carnal humanity)has passed away and suffered death the risen christ is the proof that the word of the eternal is forever…

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,12:09)

Hi Ted, Nice to see you!  I noticed that you have jumped back in a topic. Have fun… Mike, Glad you liked it!

Kathi …. This forum is a wealth of information ….. As a result of some of your posts …. I have started looking into various Gospels that didn't make the cut , specifically the Gospel of Thomas….

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,14:42)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,19:55) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,21:08) According to this logic, if Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus was conceived if He really must be like every other father and son, according to you. Kathi, The act of conception is an ACT.  That means that at some point in time, it HAPPENS. So at one point, there was just God.  And then, through the ACT of conception (or whatever), there was Jesus. The idea that Jesus was in the process of being conceived inside of God from eternity is not supported by any scripture, nor does it even make sense.  Worse than that, it is actually contradicted by more than a few scriptures.   I realize that you believe things like this, because you WANT TO believe them.  And that is why I gave you that little list in my last post – the list of things scripture DOES say.  I think it would be good for you to deal with the things scripture DOES say, and build your understanding around those things. Mike, this is not supported by any scripture: Quote So at one point, there was just God.  And then, through the ACT of conception (or whatever), there was Jesus. you also said: Quote The idea that Jesus was in the process of being conceived inside of God from eternity is not supported by any scripture, nor does it even make sense.  Worse than that, it is actually contradicted by more than a few scriptures.   I don't know anyone that teaches that Jesus was in the process of being conceived inside of God from eternity. Where do you come up with these things?

“God is one”” Iam that Iam” “Iam the alpha and the omega” these are just a few of the many names and adages that tell us that the eternal “IS” and there is none other…. The trinity is a concept that is routed from the beginning of the universal church…. God is spirit and holy spirit is the very essence of him …. The third party is a result of carnal understanding with out any consideration for the fact that Gods ways are higher than ours and anything is possible with God as well as nothing being possible without him…

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Hello Dare ! Kathi …. Just thinking about the forum and realized it has been a while…. Hope all is well with you and same goes for the many members of whom I have spoken…. Good to be back

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Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 20 2012,15:37)

Mike, I think the only difference is that I do not call the Holy Spirit a person like the Father and Son are persons. I see Him as more of the inner person of both in unity as one Spirit in some contexts or the inner person distinctly of the Father or distinctly of the Son. But this has gone way off subject.  Back to the Peshitta…please If you want to talk about the trinitarians, go to the appropriate thread or go to our discussion thread.

Hi Kathi …. This issue of a triune God is never ending and loaded with conflict because of false doctrine and dogma…. Just suppose we examine the scriptures… In Genesis … The eternal told moses that he was “The Iam that Iam”… and numerous mentions of singularity… In John we see …Jesus indentified as “The Word”(eg.The word of the eternal)…Let us examine the possibility that the oneness of the Almighty is comprised of his word and the essense of his power is the spirit that he is…It is through his word that he creates and with his spirit it happens…what do you think?

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Hello There …. Hope all is well with you …. it is good to be back … looking forward to some meaningfull dialog …

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