Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 10 2010,02:43)Shimmer & Shania: Greetings, God bless you. You say that what I wrote was really dangerous and went on to expound on sexual thoughts of someone who is not their spouse as a sin.Yet you would say that Jesus never sinned and yet he set the lady, caught in adultry, free and would not condemn her sin if in fact it…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 16 2010,09:47)Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 15 2010,03:44)Kathi, I read that somewhere today, about the change from Saturday to Sunday.  I think it was herehttp://www.bibleprobe.com/sundayworship.htmI think theres some parts about the Early Church Fathers somewhere there.Thanks Shimmer,That site has a lot of good quotes.  What s…[Read more]

All,The letter's to the churches in Asia, in Revelations, were letters to different churches in different locations.  Each church had good points and bad points. So, what do we have today ? The same thing. Only worldwide. Jesus said – to one of them – to remain in it until He comes. He hasn't come yet. I have started watching Christian…[Read more]

Hi Tim.I should explain, I was changing between usernames, shimmer/karmarie, I wanted edit back, so it was me both times, sorry, I forgot to tell you.Tim, trust me, God YHVH is the Father of Jesus. YHVH is love. I know that. I have felt it. I have felt YHVH's loving guidance and power. Whenever I follow Him and don't sin, then everything is good.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2010,16:06)Hey Shimmer,Did you read what I learned from the book of Enoch?  I posted it in the “Nephilim” thread I think.mikeHi Mike. I couldn't find anything in that thread. Are you sure it's that one? I'll have another look.

Hi Tim. The God of the Old Testament IS the same as Jesus. Jesus speaks for His Father. His Father is there in the Old Testament but what you need to understand here, is that God is love, and love shows itself in many ways.I knew someone who had no love and didn't care about anyone other than himself. The only anger he showed was for selfish…[Read more]

Kathi, I read that somewhere today, about the change from Saturday to Sunday.  I think it was herehttp://www.bibleprobe.com/sundayworship.htmI think theres some parts about the Early Church Fathers somewhere there.

Kathi, I need a break from the Early Church Fathers. I hope you understand,  Iv read it all before. Iv followed the Saterday Sabbath, Iv 'investigated' everything. The truth is more simple Kathi. Watch and be carefull where your reading gets you. ONLY stick with what is safe to read, or trust me, you will get confused. Well, with a mind like…[Read more]

Paul Cohen, finally.I asked Sf this a while back…Hi SF.”Can you do a brief summary of what they believe ? I think this is what my Mother believes too. She say's we have a body, mind and spirit and that God does too. So she say's Jesus is the body of God. God is the mind and then there's the Holy Spirit, Just like we have three parts to us, a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2010,16:33)I had found basically the same thing written by Justin.  I hadn't found anything written by him that mentioned if he did something special on Saturday.  I know he mentioned worship being done as a body of believers on Sunday.Hi kathi.OK. Still looking. But first, scripture.Mark 2:27.“The Sabbath was made for m…[Read more]

Thanks t8.

Hi Mark.(I'm using my old username for edit reasons)Thanks for sharing that. It must have taken awhile to type out !If you don't come back I wish you the best, and God's love and peace.Thing's can get confusing. I think we go through stages. I think in these days things are even harder. We fight many things. The only real strength we can find is…[Read more]

Mark……….I haven't this yet I will later ok.

Hi Kathi, I will get back to this later, I havent had much time at the moment but I will.

Mike, you saidQuote JA feels lead by the Spirit to ignore all the scriptures that teach about all things being created through Jesus.JA all things were created through the Word/Logos which became Jesus. All things were created through Him it say's. Then the Word/Logos was made flesh.God does not have a body I agree. Scripture say's God is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2010,11:23)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2010,03:58)JAyou could not answer two question ??why???PierreHi Pierre,You summed it up fine.  I won't even bother reading his posts.  Anyone who is able to defend their scriptural beliefs should be equally willing to break it down point by point so each individual point gets a…[Read more]

Irenaeus Aprox 170 AD.Book Ihttp://www.biblestudytools.com/history….-i.htmlChapter X.-Unity of the Faith of the Church Throughout the Whole World. “The Church, though dispersed through out the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2010,15:53)Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 07 2010,16:05)Kathi, If you want to search the early writtings IMO it's best to only stay with the EARLIEST writings, before they started changing their views.So that's volume one.http://www.biblestudytools.com/history….renaeusI'll see what I can find in some of those. I'll go through…[Read more]

http://www.biblestudytools.com/history/early-church-fathers/ante-nicene/vol-1-apostolic-with-justin-martyr-irenaeus/mathetes/epistle-of-mathetes-to-diognetus.htmlThe Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus Aprox 130 ADChapter VII.-The Manifestation of Christ. “For, as I said, this was no mere earthly invention which was delivered to them, nor is it a…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 08 2010,22:39)Kerwin and Terrarica, thanks for your posts. I agree.(Page 40 I meant