Col 1:15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,Col 1:19 For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form Seems to indicate Jesus is a deity like unto the Father but since…[Read more]

2 Corinthians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort This seems quite clear that The Father is God to the Son.

Jn 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and…[Read more]

I Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Seems to support the idea of Jesus being God in the flesh but also could be that God was manifested in the life of Jesus.Isa 9:6…[Read more]

UNDER CONSTRUCTIONright now I'm using this post as a storage area for all scriptures relating to God, Son, Holy Spirit, I will remove ones that apply equally to both sides of the arguement. If others have scriptures they believe should be in here post them on this thread and I will copy them to this one, once we have a complete list of scriptures…[Read more]

I suppose it is only right that I throw the first scriptures out.Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: This scripture indicates there is the Father, a Son, and a Holy Ghost but does not say they are all are equal. 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is…[Read more]

To all,Regarding my previous post I'm not saying “let's just all get along”, but what I'm saying is let's change tactics for the sake of the brethren, if not for the ones we're discussing with, then for the ones reading it. Christ died for them also, let's show love and patience or am I the only one forgiven much. I know T8 has told me there are…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 24 2006,00:00)Quote If you will reread my post you will see that I did allow for WJ's quote to be a mistake. I consider quoting from the KJV a mistake due all the wrong interpretation contained therein.WJ and I have butted heads before and it is my concerted opinion that we have an understanding that we are both…[Read more]

Cult Buster,Quote (Cult Buster @ Dec. 23 2006,05:57)ST to NHQuote Why not directly respond to the scripture he presented, dancing around it makes it look like you have no defense from God's word to his point of view and are trying to distract him from what he sees as a valid point. The reason that they “dance around”  is because they have no…[Read more]

I agree with most of what you've written about the state of many people, all I was saying is let God's word do the work for you. We are admonished to correctly handle the word of truth, Jesus used it against satan and the religious, it is our sword and how we can set people free. Why not directly respond to the scripture he presented, dancing…[Read more]

I guess it's not knowing or even understanding THE truth, it's embracing it and all it requires, that moves it from being knowledge to being “believe unto salvation”. If we truly believed then how could we remain as we were.

First thing, my comment was to a particular post done by Nick, but only as an example to address a general issue we're all guilty of.Nick this is the post you made following his post of a verse which on the surface supports his position. Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 22 2006,17:47)Hi W,Grasp the whole and don't seek alternatives to the simple…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 22 2006,17:31)Quote Hi W,The Son of God is called Jesus and he is not a godhead of any kind. Why do you accept these catholic accretions to simple faith? NHWhy do you not accept the Inspired word of God?Matt 2818 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.19 Go ye…[Read more]

It does seem that there are more accusations being flung about then scripture. T8, Would it be possible/permissable to setup a section of thread(s) where there are no personal remarks allowed, only scripture with an explanation/interpretation? It might be worth a try (may be a dumb idea also)

I believe it to be 3. As far as I know the scriptures are the best dating tool available, cultures may date well within their time frame but they have gaps and require syncing to other cultures (with limited information) to create a complete time-line. Many reject the information available from scripture simply because it is scripture, prefering…[Read more]

David,Sorry my mistake, I got to admidt I was surprised when I thought you were advocating that Jesus was a vegetarian.

Jephthae,Welcome, I found that once I started posting I grew in leaps and bounds. It has really helped me to know what it is I believe. It can be frustrating here at times, and I agree we need to remember that christians are to be known by our love for one another.Wm

Quote (david @ Dec. 21 2006,21:06)It's odd.  I was actually thinking about this about 2 months ago.  I really can't remember any accounts where we are told that he specifically is eating meat.David,We have an account of Him cooking one in a pan, of His blessing fish for consumption, and I believe it is required for Him to eat the passover meal.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 20 2006,18:14)Hi W,1Cor 2″10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. “So as the spirit of man is…[Read more]

Amazing, glad you and your daughter are ok.Wm