Good post Gene,I assume “bodies” refers to our collective individual bodies.Thanks – Wm

Quote (kejonn @ Dec. 05 2009,19:27)Hey bodi, why are you asking this question in the “Skeptics” section? Many of us have a hard time believing Jesus actually existed! Or maybe you did it because you are “skeptical” of the story?In any case, taking the story at face value, one must wonder why Jesus said “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”.…[Read more]

Irene,I just now read this thread and and prayed for her as soon as I read your first post. The Father is aware of a fallen sparrow and He is aware of this child. I truly believe “what satan meant for evil, God meant for good” He can use this, but I believe it starts with our upholding her in loving prayer.Thank you for bringing this need to us -Wm

BD,If He had wanted to be crucified it would not have been a sacrifice, the spirit was willing but the flesh is weak. After all He got what He prayed for, the Fathers will.My opinion – Wm

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 05 2009,08:51)Original post:Quote seekingtruth, Posted: Nov. 30 2009,22:10, 52″Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”They tried to gain a relationship with the Father by obeying rules, missing…[Read more]

Quote SeekingI don't see any scriptures in your post, supporting your claim.So let me be specific.Rev 20:15   And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.How do all those that never heard of Jesus, get their name into the book of life?1.Psalm 69:28May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be…[Read more]

Thanks T8, sounds fair

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 03 2009,09:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2009,08:03)Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 01 2009,10:22)Ron,I in no way said that, when I said obeying rules I was saying the same as you, rules are not laws they are man made laws. But even so expecting to be made right with God by our obedience to His law… Abraham was…[Read more]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 03 2009,07:13)Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 02 2009,23:54)Georg,I do not believe that people are given a second chance, but there will be those surprised by their admittance (sheep/goats), yet there are also those surprised by their entrance being barred, “Lord didn't we” I believe God will resurrect the dead, starting first with…[Read more]

Ron,I do not understand you. You twist what I say with your statement “How dare you try to say that obedience to the law is something evil.” Something I clearly did not imply in any way (reread my post), then you accuse me of twisting scripture. Would you please point out what scripture(s) I was supposed to have “twisted or squirmed”?Wm

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 02 2009,08:12)Adam……may have been a perfect Human being, as created, but was He himslef Perfect (NO) if he were why did He disobey GOD them.But then again it may have been in the Foreknowledge of GOD all along, He knew the Man and women (WOULD) Fail and that the experience of GOOD and EVIL would in the long run produce…[Read more]

Georg,I do not believe that people are given a second chance, but there will be those surprised by their admittance (sheep/goats), yet there are also those surprised by their entrance being barred, “Lord didn't we” I believe God will resurrect the dead, starting first with believers who will stand before the Judgment seat of Christ, where all…[Read more]

Ron,I in no way said that, when I said obeying rules I was saying the same as you, rules are not laws they are man made laws. But even so expecting to be made right with God by our obedience to His law… Abraham was made right with God through his perfect life? Yes obedience is important, but true obedience is as a result of knowing God, not that…[Read more]

52″Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.”They tried to gain a relationship with the Father by obeying rules, missing the obedience that follows, having a relationship with the Father. My opinion – Wm

Quote You can't be serious or don't you know that Jesus ate fish and honeycomb this is not possible without blood besides the bible says no blood no life because the blood is the life of the flesh thereof. You argue that you can't eat without blood, is this based on your thorough understanding of the incorruptible flesh that we will have once…[Read more]

bodhitharta,And how long does that punishment last?

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,09:21)Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 30 2009,00:14)bd, have a question for you, was christ a man of flesh or was he a phantom? kol tuvHe was flesh and blood and boneActually it does not say He had bloodTouch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” The following scripture seems to…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 30 2009,00:58)Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 29 2009,09:29)Ron, I agree for the most part, this is from my journal on a study I did on the word Aion (eternal):Many teach that nearly all the people who have ever lived will suffer in eternal torment in hell. This has been based on a translation of the word aion which has…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 30 2009,05:27)Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 30 2009,07:48)bodhitharta,Some versions do not even include these verses stating "Verse 44 and 46, which are identical to v 48, are not found in the early mss"And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Matthew 13:41-43What about this?In…[Read more]

bodhitharta,Some versions do not even include these verses stating "Verse 44 and 46, which are identical to v 48, are not found in the early mss"