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Mike,Neither do I, I did not infer in any way that Jesus did not get His glorified body, actually quite the opposite, please re-read my posts or is this an argument technique to put me on the defensive?My opinion – Wm

Quote (Istari @ April 24 2011,00:27)WM,You have an interesting take on things.Thanks… I think…

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2011,01:17)Quote (seekingtruth @ April 23 2011,10:12)I say that Jesus is flesh and bone because He said it.Hi Wm,Do you suppose the flesh and bone body with holes in it is the “glorious new body” Paul said Jesus has been given in Phil 3:21?mikeYes I do, I believe these holes were 'preserved' as a reminder of what it…[Read more]

I believe 'facts' are being developed by people more from a desire to fit their doctrine then from scripture. I say that Jesus is flesh and bone because He said it. As far as it entering heaven, well… He did. Now as to it not being possible I guess I missed that in scripture. I suppose there could there be a scenario where our 'bodies are put on…[Read more]

Wispring,Yes the new uncorrupted spiritual body that includes flesh and bones, also spoke of in scriptures.My opinion – Wm

Quote 1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. There is nothing in this verse that prevents flesh and bone from entering.My opinion – Wm

Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2011,05:04)Quote (seekingtruth @ April 22 2011,14:23)I agree that God does not share His glory but he can give it; John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began Nobody wrested dominion from God, He gave man dominion and I believe that man gave it to satan…[Read more]

Quote Zechariah 3 Clean Garments for the High Priest 1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. 2 The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the f…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 20 2011,11:54)Quote (seekingtruth @ April 19 2011,17:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,11:30)Quote (seekingtruth @ April 18 2011,09:47)I believe the reason that there is so much dis-agreement is akin to the story of the “blind men and an elephant”, we are all discussing something we cannot see from what we perceive of it…[Read more]

Kathi,I recant, I recant!… Well actually I missed editing the “not a separate being” out of this letter after Mike had pointed it out to me some time ago after I had briefly explored that line of thinking. I gave it a lot of consideration after Mike pointed it out and determined that my original line of thinking was a better fit anyway. below…[Read more]

I agree that God does not share His glory but he can give it; John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began Nobody wrested dominion from God, He gave man dominion and I believe that man gave it to satan when he fell. Luke 4:6 And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain…[Read more]

I voted at conception, however there is some debate in the phrases “mother (or father) to be” if the child does not make it to fruition some would argue that you failed to meet the criteria. I disagree, we lost a child in the second trimester and I believe like David “I will go to him (her), but he (she) will not return to me.”. Birth only c…[Read more]

WispringQuote 16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. 17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.Jesus brought understanding (light), not so much to those who sought God but mainly to those who had…[Read more]

Pierre,I know it was a long post which is why I appreciate those who take the time to read it and comment. Obviously I don't expect anyone to agree on all points, but what I really want is scriptures, I know most of the arguments (most I had with myself while coming to the various conclusions) and although I've read through the scriptures…[Read more]

Thanks Irene,I really appreciate your taking the time to look it over and for your response.Wm

World-view •Existence – The complexities of life and the universe requires a creator.• Source – Assuming then that there was a creator what do we know about Him. The best source that fits what’s observed in the world at large are the Judeo-Christian scriptures they have:    o A plausible creationo An accurate assessment of mano Prophecy gi…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,11:30)Quote (seekingtruth @ April 18 2011,09:47)I believe the reason that there is so much dis-agreement is akin to the story of the “blind men and an elephant”, we are all discussing something we cannot see from what we perceive of it through limited information on different aspects.Hi Wm,We know that Jesus is…[Read more]

Mike,At twilight/dusk on the 14th day of the month of Nisan the lamb was slain (April 18th, 2011) I believe that Jesus died at the same time as the lambs were slaughtered.My opinion – Wm

To all,When spiritual beings wish to directly interact with our reality I believe there are portals which allow them access to the earth at various points of entry. Once here they have form and can interact with man but have limitations imposed on them from having form, but still retain some ability to relate on a spiritual level.To support what…[Read more]