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    New American Standard Bible (©1995)The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no oneNew American Standard Bible (©1995)”And those who were with me saw the light, to be sure, but did not understand the voice of the One who was speaking to meIn both cases all heard, but in the second rendition he noted they had n…[Read more]

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    Mike,It was a general declaration to all, myself included. Is there anyone here who hasn't had their beliefs declared “bizzaro”? Ours were, as I know you believe like me in the pre-existence of Jesus. In confronting what I believe to be false teachings I tend to error on the side of grace, that may not always be right, while you tend to be very…[Read more]

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    From what I've seen here the definition of bizarro should be: any doctrine(s) held by those who disagree with you.

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2011,05:17)Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 26 2011,04:58)Mike,Really… as far as I know the timing is the only item withheld from the Son, He knows all but one item of the Fathers business as far as I know. This not a real issue as I agree he is a servant of the Father I was only pointing out that scripture states “I no…[Read more]

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    Shimmer,I have experienced both, music can illicit emotions, good and evil, we need to be careful what we embrace to be sure it is of God.Wm

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    Mike,Really… as far as I know the timing is the only item withheld from the Son, He knows all but one item of the Fathers business as far as I know. This not a real issue as I agree he is a servant of the Father I was only pointing out that scripture states “I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business” i…[Read more]

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    First let me be clear, the Son does all that the Father desires and is a true servant to His Father. I was only noting that scripture states “I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business” does the Son not know the Father's business?

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    John 15:15I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

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    Ed,Sorry for remaining off topic but I just want to respond to being called "christian", many call themselves christian but their actions show otherwise, they do not follow Christ, they only lay claim to the rewards of those who do.My opinion – wm

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    Galatians 3:28Now, in Christ, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or free, male or female. You are all the same in Christ Jesus.

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    Bod,While I agree that there is one God, and there can be “MANY” understandings on the different aspects of God (an infinite number of them), however there can only be one over-all understanding OF God. Truth is absolute and not subject to different interpretations.My opinion – Wm

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    Tim,If you would consider reading something I believe God gave me through an experience, that at least for me exemplified balancing truth (now of course it would help me, but it might help you understand what I'm saying). Arriving at TruthThe whole of scripture is our safeguard against misunderstandings from culture, idioms, or preconceived…[Read more]

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    TK,I agree with you on many things, we both believe in the love of God, the faith nature of salvation, always ready to error on the side of grace… Where we disagree however is on discrepancies in scripture, I believe that there are no discrepancies beyond those created by; misinterpreting scripture(s), bad translations, or even a few additions…[Read more]

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    Thank you pierre,I believe the first two verses support what I postulated.I know that many people believe that Proverb 8 is a teaching about Jesus but I believe it is a teaching on the spirit of wisdom which is one of the sevenfold Spirits of God.Proverbs 8:11 “For wisdom is better than jewels; And all desirable things cannot compare with her. (…[Read more]

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    seekingtruth replied to the topic What I Believe in the forum The Hot Seat 13 years ago

    Kathi,It's a struggle, trying to describe an infinite God, with a finite understanding, limited even further by an inadequate language to describe items outside our reality, but if we could put God in a box, then He probably wouldn't be God anyway. I believe that as the Father from outside/above our reality spoke the foundation of our reality into…[Read more]

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    Irene, I'm so sorry to hear that. Mike is right, there is very little that can be said to help, except maybe to let you know that you're in my heart and prayers.Love, your brother in the Lord, Wm

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    Irene,I'm so sorry to hear about all your family is going through. Unfortunately there is no good way of handling this except day by day trusting in the grace and mercy of God. “Father, I lift Georg and Irene up to You and ask that your peace would come on them, I ask that You would provide comfort to the entire family. I lift up Christy to You…[Read more]

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    seekingtruth replied to the topic What I Believe in the forum The Hot Seat 13 years ago

    To All,Before giving this document to my kids, I want to make sure I haven't overlooked a scripture that shows I'm in error. I expect some will dis-agree with all of it, and all will dis-agree with some of it, but I value any input that you may have in my search for truth (and especially in passing it on to my kids).Foreword:Sometimes truth is…[Read more]

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    seekingtruth replied to the topic What I Believe in the forum The Hot Seat 13 years ago

    To All,I'm not really looking to defend my position (the purpose of 'The Hot Seat'), I'm sincerely looking for input on scriptures that others feel may indicate I have missed, forgotten, or misinterpreted something. I must say I am somewhat dis-appointed that so few have taken the time to help out, but as I hope to clean this up and present it to…[Read more]

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    seekingtruth replied to the topic What I Believe in the forum The Hot Seat 13 years ago

    heaven, Unfortunately in doing so it dropped it from my search screens, I just stumbled across it (not upset just FYI).Thanks, Wm

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