Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2012,13:42)Hi ST, Are there any scriptures that mention flesh regarding the heavenly body. If not should we drop this issue?Yes there is: When did Jesus get His new spiritual body?1 Corinthians 15:  42  So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.  43  It is sow…[Read more]

“Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom” I agree, but if immortal flesh does not have blood how does that conflict with scripture on flesh entering heaven?I have asked now on a number of threads for scripture to support the claim that there can be no flesh in heaven, but so far I have only been offered an imaginary transformation at the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,15:40)Hi ST, No his blood was all lost on calvary even unto water.His life was no longer in the blood but by the Spirit.I agree his life is by the spirit, but He told us that it included flesh and bones, after He was raised. WmQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 09 2012,00:45)Hi ST,He had to fulfill the prophecy of the sign…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,15:40)Hi ST, No his blood was all lost on calvary even unto water.His life was no longer in the blood but by the Spirit.I agree his life is by the spirit, but He told us that it included flesh and bones, after He was raised. Just trying to stay within what scripture tells us while avoiding the teachings from traditions.Wm

Actually I do have another question. If Jesus was simply restored to life (which is contrary to scriptures) wouldn't His blood be leaking out of His wounds?Wm

Could be Nick, but I prefer to stay with what we are told in scripture. One other question, what type of bodies will we have at the marriage supper of the lamb?Wm

Nick,When did Jesus get His new body?1 Corinthians 15:  42  So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.  43  It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.  44  It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.When does our body recei…[Read more]

Andrew,I just want to add my appreciation for your faithfulness in prayer. Wm

Nick,Long time no see, welcome back.Wm

No problem I need to go to bed myself

Quote (toby @ Feb. 05 2012,06:19)Hi Seeking. Your examples of sightings of Angels are (By your own words) 'Manifestations of the Spirit'.  Every one of them.Actually I believe a “sighting” of an un-manifested angel is possible Numbers 22:31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 04 2012,18:30)Seeking:Jesus is a Spirit in Heaven now.  I would urge you not to make this a point of expanded discussion.  It's just distraction.Please read Mikes first post, I am on topic and a major point to what I'm presenting is that Jesus has flesh.Quote All beings in Heaven are Spirits – the question is: “Do they have b…[Read more]

Quote (toby @ Feb. 04 2012,12:17)Hi Seeking.  You make some interesting points, thankyou.  However, like the views of some others, they don't all add up to me..'A Spirit in a Spirit Body' – where do you get that from?What is it that is raised up from the dead?What is it that is made glorious?What is it that is made Powerful?What is it that b…[Read more]

Mike,I'm sorry you were upset by my quip it was meant in fun, I apologize it was not my intent to upset you.Quote 1 Corinthians 15:45  So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.Over half of the translations say “soul” (as does the Greek) 1 Corinthians 15:45 NASB Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” T…[Read more]

Tim, Oh come on you've heard me say sillier things! If not then stick around.1 Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,Definition of religion:4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith Yes. orDictionary.com define it as “the body of persons adhering…[Read more]

Atheism is a religion, it just substitutes God with happenstance, and any kind of rules of behavior for… well since there is nothing beyond this life, what ever “I” want.My opinion – Wm

Quote (toby @ Feb. 03 2012,19:12)Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 03 2012,11:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 03 2012,08:16)Quote (toby @ Feb. 02 2012,17:31)SeekingTruth, are you saying that Jesus is in his flesh and bone body in Heaven?Wm?Toby/Mike,I did not say it, Jesus said it. Show me justification for an undeclared “change” at the ascension, and I'll…[Read more]

Toby,Thank you for your honesty, I wasn't trying to be a hard-ass, I was trying to drive a point home that we should not be dogmatic when speculating beyond what scripture actually tells us. And to be clear I have no problem with speculating that Jesus may have a spiritual body now, but I believe I have also laid out a valid scriptural…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 03 2012,08:14)Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 02 2012,17:32)Mike,I'm not asking for your best guess, so are you basically admitting that there is no scriptural support for your claim that “flesh cannot be in heaven”. Yes or NoWmI've shown you the scriptures, Wm.  1+1=2, remember?Mike,Considering I'm playing by your rules…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 03 2012,08:16)Quote (toby @ Feb. 02 2012,17:31)SeekingTruth, are you saying that Jesus is in his flesh and bone body in Heaven?Wm?Toby/Mike,I did not say it, Jesus said it. Show me justification for an undeclared “change” at the ascension, and I'll reconsider my position, otherwise I'll stick with what Jesus said.Wm