Basic programming (a loop to run until we die):10 God saved me by His grace20 I want to know Him better 30 I read His word and want to be pleasing to Him40 As I read His word I find a new level of understanding of where I fall short of what God wants me to be50 Work on improving60 GoTo 10Wm

shimmer,Sorry but I started the above post before all the other posts on this page, it takes me a while to get down what I want to say, I did not mean to keep belaboring the point.WmBTW Thank you for the apology, it is of course accepted

Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 28 2012,18:02)Seeking, no, I have not seen anything negative from you (From what I have seen).  Nothing to apologise about.  You are being humble.I'm thinking, – OK, I know a Trinitarian who used to post here, and he had 'Good Fruits'. (MA) So, it can't be that.  But then again, is it something else?  Or is it just here?  Is…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 28 2012,15:37)I just notice in others of the pre-existant group the following characterisitcs in all:- Conditional “love”- Temporary “love”- Self Seeking- Angry outbursts which are abusive in nature- Un-nessesary judgment of others- a habit of humiliating others- Belittling others- Buddying up (Probably includes PMs about…[Read more]

Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 22 2012,10:26)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2012,10:58)Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 22 2012,00:22)wakeup,I can agree with your statement “The future is in his contol.Therefore he knows the future” but that is different from He foresaw the future. Obviously God does have obstacles, such that when His beloved Son asked Him to remove…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,21:44)Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 11 2012,23:21)Mike,Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “ Abba! Father!” If Jesus is spirit than shouldn't Paul have said instead “God has sent forth His Son the Spirit”.”Spirit of” implies there is something else the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2012,01:01)sktQuote Pierre,How many have gone astray feeling they were following the “Holy Spirit”? Without the scriptures to guide you, you are “feeling” out your own religion. you should read what I say again and understand it before you comment on it ,this would help you to give true advice ,because your comment is…[Read more]

I much perfer agreeingWm

David,I haven't been keeping up with this topic so actually I think we need to define Kingdom of Heaven first.I believe it is a body of people submitted to God's will, starting even while in the flesh the Kingdom is being built right in the midst of satan's domain. It is the beginning of Christ's ultimate Kingdom to be established during His 1,000…[Read more]

T8,I agree with what you said but to be clear what is your position on the spiritual bodies, particularly does Jesus have an element of flesh and bones in His resurrected body? Thanks – Wm

It's God's method for establishing truth:Matthew 18:16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’John 8:16 But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17 In your own Law it is written tha…[Read more]

Sorry Pierre you had not posted when I opened my response please go ahead.Wm

I would discuss a few issues with you on this topic if that would be to your liking.Wm

Pierre,How many have gone astray feeling they were following the “Holy Spirit”? Without the scriptures to guide you, you are “feeling” out your own religion. God always provides at least two witnesses in this case one is the Holy Spirit, the other is the written word. The best example I have is the teaching of eternal punishment. For over 20 years…[Read more]

Mike/Nike, I believe your both right, we use the study of the word to learn each and every scripture, then our God-given human wisdom and logic to understand that despite scriptures being given that were accurate and reliable, after  2000 year misunderstandings from culture, idioms, and/or preconceived concepts/traditions has produced errors. T…[Read more]

Mike,Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “ Abba! Father!” If Jesus is spirit than shouldn't Paul have said instead “God has sent forth His Son the Spirit”.”Spirit of” implies there is something else the “spirit of” belongs to.Wm

Sorry scripture only: Proverbs 18:17 The first person to speak always seems right until someone comes and asks the right questions.

There are times it totally covers it to respond simply with a verse from scripture, but even then it is hard to get the point across without some explanation.

Galatians 4:6Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “ Abba! Father!”

Mike,Still changing scriptures to support your beliefs? You quote the scripture as “the last MAN became a SPIRT”. 1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.That makes for a big change to the meaning of the statement.Wm