First off Roo, your interpretation completely ignores the Father. He is not mentioned at all this verse according to your view.Yet I can prove very easily that the Father is indeed mentioned and that he is the one who is true.Read this part slowly KJ.“And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ.”Who ever is the true one…[Read more]

Roo, let's entertain your view, that Jesus is the true God.1 John 5:20 20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.OK, now for your interpretation:We know Jesus Christ has come,…[Read more]

But shouldn't it be that he was sawing 2 rocks into one being? (According to his theology anyway.)

Hey Kangaroo,John 1:1c has no definite article before the last mention of theos for a reason.You can't read it as “And the Word was THE God”. If you do, not only are you adding a word, but you are also excluding the Father from being God in that statement.Back to the drawing board please.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,03:42)JackI wonder if Mike got his material from Watchtower again?  WJEqually KJ might have got his stuff from the Vatican.After all the Catholic faith is the Trinity doctrine.The Cathoilic faith is …..Trinity

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,08:25)We're talking about beings as substances. Pay attention. Beings in the PRIMARY sense is substances.I am paying attention. It is you who is not.Rock is the nature, and we have 2 rocks if you can hold one in each hand.Yes, all human beings combined is humanity, but a human being is one of those beings…[Read more]

theos and elohim is applied to not just the Most High God legitimately but to others including man and angel.But yes of course it includes God and does so most of the time.Similarly, adam applies to all mankind including Adam himself.Adam is a specific individual.And God is a HIM too.This is the part that trips you up.The Greek uses the definite…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,05:48)t8,Why do you mock the word of truth dude? 26 Then God said, “Let Us make adam in Our image, according to Our likeness; let THEM have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,06:19)So you do believe then that if a rock is cut in two it becomes two beings (substances)? I said that it remains one substance still.Pretty simple. 2 rocks. Both are rocks.Again this debate should be for 4 year olds and under.I have a son who is 5 and he would be offended if I taught him this stuff…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 09 2011,20:16)I agree that mocking the idea of a creator is the only reasonable option.StuartA perfect example of your narrow mindedness.I don't need to spell it out, you demonstrate it perfectly.So don't expect anyone to really take you seriously as you have completely failed to prove your argument because it is based entirely…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,07:48)Yet you have REPEATEDLY said that Christ is God qualitatively.Quality 1. peculiar and essential character: NATURE (Webster's)You infer that Jesus is in His nature God.”Who is the EXACT representation of His substance.”KJKJ, you are obviously hard of hearing or understanding.My suggestion to you is to…[Read more]

In the transfiguration, Moses and Elijah appeared with Christ in glorified form.No it wasn't a Trinity, but this demonstrated that indeed what Christ was to become and became is what we will become.

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,07:42)Christ calls us brothers by adoption and not by the identity of nature.Sorry but you I hand the drawing board to you.Jesus calls us brothers.It is written that our bodies we will be LIKE him. Guess what LIKE kind means?And we are promised that we can partake in divine nature.You guys have big problems…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,07:38)But sameness of nature is the PRIMARY sense of the concept of identity.You are very confused.Lets look at 2 dogs.One I will identify as snoopy and the other bandito.Your theory suggests that they are the same dog, whereas what I am saying is that they are both dog in nature but are identified as 2…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,07:32)Keith,Yes they are running away from the truth of God. Jesus said, “I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?”It is US that agrees that there is one God the Father, and it is you that agrees that there is one God the Father,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,07:20)If God is all powerfull and sits in a Throne ruling the Universe then I identify him as God or the Father.If Jesus is called God and has all power and rules the Universe from Gods Throne then I identify him as God or the Son.If we sit with the so-called God -the son, then follow your logic through and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,07:20)They are just sticking there head in the sand with all these smokescreens about nature and identity.Wrong.The distinction is very important.Just as there is a distinction between Adam (the first man) and adam (all who share his nature).It is the lack of this distinction that gets you guys into all sorts…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 10 2011,03:41)t8,Hey, isn't Mike the one who has suggested that God is a species by his assertions that God begat Jesus like a human father begets a son?God is not a species because He cannot procreate. But hte scripture is very clear that the Son is the “radiance of His glory” and the “EXACT representation of the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 24 2011,06:33)t8, Yes I am the same being as the person who calls me son (my father). I possess the same qualities and constitution (Webster's). I have the same essential nature and substance (F & W).KJPlease let us know what your father's name is so we can call you by that.

So Stuart. What is the first cause of all if it is not a creator?Before you shoot down a possible, you have to have a definite.Again, what was first before anything else?If you have no answer (we both know you do not), then you are being silly if you shoot down possibilities.At least others (even prophet Hawking) have thought much more deeply on…[Read more]