Yes lets measure something eternal with a finite instrument.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 13 2011,09:28)You know t8 you call me dishonest but you yourself cannot prove your theory can you?Before you make yourself look any more silly, please read about how the definite article works in the biblical languages.That information is freely available to anyone who wishes to find out.Ha ha, I mean, my theory?…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2011,18:49)Wispring,Inserting consciousness/operating mind in place of soul(s) does not fit the whole context of scripture as it is the whole being that is being saved and not just part.  Try “essential self” insteadWhat about the body?Does it not return to dust and do we not receive a spiritual body? Or is the spiritual…[Read more]

KJ, at this stage do I even need to demonstrate how this concept is wrong using other verses?I mean if you have no come back on my first point, then the debate is surely over.Do you have a come back? If so, I am happy to wait for it.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2011,08:55)Wasn't Jesus “divine” when he walked in this earth in the flesh?Don't know.Somethings to consider.We can NOW partake of divine nature, so I would imagine that he at least partook of divine nature, while sharing in human nature.But just as we can partake in that nature, one day we will have a spiritual…[Read more]

I said that he has or partakes of divine nature. Read that sentence carefully.We know that Jesus existed with divine nature and partook of human nature (flesh and blood) and returned to the glory he had before.I guess you could ask yourself WJ if you are a partaker of human nature. Whatever your understanding of this is, could well be the answer…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2011,04:38)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2011,04:23)I suppose next I am a Mormon because I believe in the existence of apostles? Or I am a Jew because like them, I believe in one God and not a Triune one.Hi t8Exactly, so then your statement…Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2011,18:35)The more you look at it WJ, the more that the T…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2011,04:32)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 16 2011,04:16)The sons of God are mentioned two or three times in Job.Who are they?NIVOne day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.NLTOne day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the LORD, and the Accuser,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2011,04:20)t8And you can't dispute the point that The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are qualitatively in nature, equally “God”. WJYes God and Jesus can be called theos/elohim qualitatively as can man, angel, even Satan.Your point?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2011,05:15)The point of contention was you putting Jesus in the same context of other “sons of God” which you also claim can be angels in an effort to detract away from the fact that Jesus is “The Only Begotten (Monogenes) Son of God” and according to the scriptures that means he is the “Only” Son that is the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2011,05:15)Is Jesus being exactly like the Fathers being? Yes or NoYes. He is LIKE his Father an exact representation of him.NOTE: Some important differences from scripture below:God is invisible.Jesus is visible.God is an eternal spirit.Jesus has a body. Also, because Jesus represents God and is the image of that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 17 2011,04:58)Of course it looks like you want to drop it.I will touch on more later!WJNot true again WJ. I don't want to drop it at all. I want a dedicated topic for it.You are so negative that you end up with the most negative conclusions and most of the time, they are not true.You need to change your attitude to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2011,04:14)Whose “Divine” nature are we being changed into? God or Jesus?It should be the same divine nature.When Eve was created from Adam, she shared his nature, the same nature called human nature.I would imagine that it wouldn't be too different in this case.But just as Eve was created by God but through Adam,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2011,04:14)Every one please take note that the questions I ask are not being answered by t8. He is merely spinning around them.That seems a little hypocritical of you t8 since you scolded those of us that you and Mike have been accusing of not answering questions don't you think?These questions only require a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2011,04:14)t8A Mystery? First of all please present a scripture that says Jesus “will become” anything, for my Bible says he is the same, yesterday, today and forever”!Dear WJ, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,04:30)Another straw man being burnt to the ground.t8 Do you believe the Bible is the scriptures?That Bible that you claim so much as being Gods word was copied translated and preserved by the RCC since the early first century.Not to mention you believe in a lot of the Catholic doctrine yourself lile the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 22 2011,01:46)TO All,I marvel that t8 has involved himself in two debates with WJ. t8 has said numerous times here that Jesus is God qualitatively. This means that Jesus is God! t8 will need to give up his “qualitative” explanation if he is going to be consistent and have a chance against WJ.If he doesn't then he…[Read more]

The sons of God are mentioned two or three times in Job.Who are they?NIVOne day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.NLTOne day the members of the heavenly court came to present themselves before the LORD, and the Accuser, Satan, came with them.ESVNow there was a day when the sons of God came to…[Read more]

You say pure conjecture, and this is coming from a man who teaches the Trinity doctrine. I hope you can see the irony.Nayway, WJ it is OK if you do not believe that angels are sons of God. It matters not to me either in this debate and yes it is possible that they are not the sons of God, although I think very unlikely.After all it was the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,04:24)Yes t8But no Trinitarian says that he is “less God” qualitatively do they?”Those that are “honest” would admit that the word “God” in John 1:1c qualitatively says the Word is everything that God is?””The “DISHONEST” make the claim that the Word in John 1:1c is “less qualitatively” than God”WJ, whether…[Read more]