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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs WJ in the forum Debates 15 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2011,04:14)How many Savours do you have?How many Lords do you have?How many Spirits have you received?God is my saviour. But God uses others to do that work including angels for salvation from disasters, Christ for salvation of my soul, and other people who might have saved my life that I may not know about. Think…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs WJ in the forum Debates 15 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2011,03:29)t8So you don't give the “same” honour to Jesus as you do the Father? WJI don't lump them together into a blob and then honour that blob substance Trinity thing.I honour the Father as God and the Jesus as the son of God, lamb of God, and the messiah.Revelation 7:10And they cried out in a loud voice:…[Read more]

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    Quote (Istari @ June 10 2011,07:20)Mike,What is God's greatest creation?Some say icecream. Not sure about that though.

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    God hands people over to belief in lies when they reject the truth.

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    If Christians and Muslims believed the same thing, then two questions arise.1) Why do Muslims need to kill Christians?2) Why do we need another faith (Muslim), if it is the same belief and faith as what Christians hold to? In deed, why even a different name?

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    Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2010,07:32)mikeif God start to create would this not mean that he start to do thing like adding separate things (all things) beside himself?because why would  he create something in himself ,his God not complete by himself??PierreBecause God is love and love is meant to be shared.

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    This poll is like a poll that says:Have you stopped robbing banksAre you still robbing banks.There is no option for those who do not rob banks.Quote There is Only One True God literally! There are other True Gods with the Only One True God! I don't know!When you capitalise God, that is the same as THE God.You have no option for theos.Here is an…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2011,12:56)Quote (shimmer @ May 26 2011,22:15)Hi Mike. Ok… I think I may be more Unitarian maybe…Hi Shimmer,I would become a member of a Unitarian Church, but they don't believe in the pre-existence of Jesus.Even if they did believe that, is it not better to be a member of the Body of Christ/the Church anyway?At…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs WJ in the forum Debates 15 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2011,04:13)But if you insist that I must refer to God always as “they or them” then you must be fair when you refer to a group or unit as they or them.For instance when you refer to the “body” of Christ you should clarify that the Body is made up of “them or they”.Sure I understand that the body has many…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs WJ in the forum Debates 15 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2011,04:13)Here is my answer again…They are my Savour, they are my Lord, they are my God, and they are my Light and Life, for they are “One”. I was also baptised in “Their” name. How about you?They meaning the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.So you see t8 I have no problem refering to God as they!OK great. As…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs WJ in the forum Debates 15 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2011,03:58)Hi t8Okay so you give the same honour/worship to Jesus as you do to the Father?A simple yes or no will suffice.WJNo.I honour/worship God as God, Jesus as the son of God and the Lamb of God, and Moses as a prophet of God.Obviously the honour and worship is different as worship and honour toward God would…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs WJ in the forum Debates 15 years, 5 months ago

    Now go back to the verses in question WJ and have another go.The Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy by saying that he was claiming to be God.Jesus corrected them and said ye are gods and he was the son of God.John 10:32-3632 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”33 “We are not s…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs WJ in the forum Debates 15 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 08 2011,07:13)”why do you blaspheme by not calling Jesus God according to the scriptures”?OK, another dodge, but I will go along anyway.The answer is simply in this question.Q: Why did Peter blaspheme by not calling Jesus God?A: He didn't blaspheme.I am no different to Peter, so if you are going to accuse me of s…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs WJ in the forum Debates 15 years, 5 months ago

    WJ, your above post is either deceptive or you are not listening to what I am saying.Men are called messengers in scripture as are other beings. I said this all along and now you appear to be arguing that I am not saying this.Is this correct?Because your stance was that men are not angels and I argued otherwise that the term indeed includes…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,03:47)t8Obviously you didn't read the documents.  I am not teaching a trinity doctrine.  I am interested in Christianity.  Please read the documents and discuss them, that is what this topic is about, thanks.I discussed quotes from that book. Your quotes.I gave answers to your quotes.You can't force people to re…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,01:54)I believe the Son was always within the Father before He was begotten.  No one can prove otherwise.Could you prove or disprove that I was not always in God?The logos was and still is in God.Then the logos was WITH God.This doesn't mean that God was now without logos, but that God gave birth, produced, sourced…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ June 02 2011,17:24)Then, they wouldn't be parallel lines, would they?  A paradox.If space is uneven, and parallel lines are even, then perhaps the lines are parallel because parallel is not defined as following the clumps and sparse parts of the fabric of space, rather that on a 2-dimensional plane, they are straight and do not…[Read more]

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    Kathi, scripture and the commandments do not teach the Trinity. It is a confusion with theos as in nature or THEOS as in identity. The same confusion the Pharisees had with Jesus.It doesn't matter what ancient book you read, if you make that mistake or do not understand the difference, then you will get the wrong idea from any book.If you…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2011,16:28)Jer 23:5“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the LORD,        “When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch;        And He will reign as king and act wisely        And do justice and righteousness in the land.6“In His days Judah will be saved,        And Israel will dwell securely;        And th…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ June 02 2011,16:28)t8, you really ought to go to the op here and go to the link and read the historical documents.Kathi I will most likely get around to reading it as I do many books. But I am not in a hurry because I am not like the man who runs here and there looking for acceptance or justification for his faith. I am not like…[Read more]

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