Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2011,12:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2011,18:09)Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2011,15:46)There is but one Almighty God on one side of the equation which encompasses two mighty Gods and their Spirit on the other side of the equation, as I understand it.Your understanding makes us have TWO Gods, which is a heresy.  Not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2011,11:45)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2011,18:22)That is the problem you thing CHRISTOS is the Man Jesus, when in fact it is not him, but the Anointing which was GOD the FATHER that was (IN) HIM.Gene,Could you post the source that tells you “christos” means “anointing” instead of “anointed one”?The thing is Gene, is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2011,11:22)T8……… It also says it (Logos was God) too.Let's face it Gene, all things originate in God.All attributes are from God.And all that is external to God came from him originally.So was God and then was WITH God.I can accept both, but you cannot accept was WITH God.

Quote (Stu @ June 25 2011,15:19)You have never even explained the appearance of energy and matter in the universe and I have.Was it the Gravity God?Or something else.Please explain the appearance of energy and matter in the universe in your next post.Try to keep it short if you can.Then I will do the same.

Quote (Stu @ June 25 2011,15:19)I am ignorant about the “cause” of the universe,I have never had an answer here as far as I can remember.But if you are ignorant on a certain subject, then ridiculing what people say about a subject that you are ignorant of shows even further ignorance does it not?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2011,11:34)PoppycockThat would have been a good alternative name for this topic.

I should add that yes it says everlasting punishment.But what is the punishment that the wicked receive?Destruction is the punishment.Hence everlasting punishment is everlasting destruction.Never to be give life again.I don't see Justin Martyr teaching against this. Not in these quoted words of his at least.

Quote (Rena @ June 23 2011,20:41)Just some information on Justin Martyr.This (what follows) is what put me off reading the Early Church Fathers. You'll see it get's worse and worse as time goes on as you read it…Taken from here:http://www.bible.ca/H-hell.htm150 AD Justin Martyr: and we say that the same thing will be done, but at the hand of…[Read more]

Look at the evidence.The first to be WITH GodWisdom was given birth and was the first to be WITH God.In the beginning the Logos was WITH God.The son is the FIRST begotten of God.Wisdom, Logos, and the son are all identified or attributed to Jesus Christ.The one whom God created all things throughWisdom was given birth and was the craftsman at…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 24 2011,00:36)If that is the case, then is it not possible in your thinking that the Logos was given birth or at some stage was WITH God? Because if that was possible, then God making everything through Christ as well as the Logos would make sense and you wouldn't have the difficulty of having to explain everything as…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2011,16:37)t8,When scripture distinguishes Jesus from God, it is God the Father who He is being distinguished from, not the begotten God which Jesus is.You are right that they are two persons.That is right. God in scripture is the Father.For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.This idea that there…[Read more]

It amazes me how some people really try hard to change truth into their own understanding.Whatever happened to just reading scripture and believing it.Having to apply a doctrine to all scripture, is as good as not having scripture as your base understanding.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2011,09:04)Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,18:19)How many Saviors do you have?Let me answer your own question.You have three according to your doctrine.The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.Not true, because the difference is Trinitarians believe “They are our theos/god” and “They are our Saviour” because you cannot have th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2011,12:57)David,This really isn't as complicated as you make it sound.  Peter really did believe that Jesus was His great God and Savior and that He was the Son of God…He distinguishes Jesus from His Father and thus shows that two distinct persons…the Father and the Son, are both called his God, one as the Son and…[Read more]

Quote (david @ June 25 2011,14:58)Without God, there is no saviour.  There is no anything.  He is the ultimate everything, including saviour.  How did he save us?THROUGH…THROUGH,………THROUGH Jesus.It is very simple to understand isn't it.But confusion reigns when the pride of man creates doctrines in order to be clever, but only end up ca…[Read more]

That is a big assumption LU.If a person lays his life down for me so I can live, does that make that person God?If a person delivers me from slavery, does that make him God?If a person dies for my sins, as the sacrificial lamb required by the Law, does that make him God?It is a very human response to say, wow that is the most amazing salvation…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ June 24 2011,17:48)Had you tried being an informed atheist at any stage?StuartAn informed Atheist is an oxymoron. Its like saying a wise fool. With regard to the meaning of life or the cause of all at least.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2011,11:33)Poppycock, but one that should be added to the Bizzaro Doctrine thread: Deliberately misinterpreting a clear scripture to pretend that it supports your doctrine.Amazing that some need to resort to misrepresentation to prove their doctrine.What is a person being saved from if their faith requires the old…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 24 2011,04:50)To the Hebrews to claim you were the “Only Begotten Son of God” equated to being equal with God.Ha ha WJ.Being equal actually means that you are not that which you are equal to.e.g., 3+3=6 and so does 2+2+2=6But 3+3 is not 2+2+2. In nature they have the same end value.In identity, completely…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2011,11:10)Put them all in a hierarchy, Keith:1. Idols – really not a god at all.2. Human rulers – Powerful rulers, but not powerful supernatural beings who have sway over the affairs of mankind and nature.3. Angels and Demons – Powerful supernatural beings who DO have sway over humans and nature, and are often…[Read more]