Not true kathi.Jesus is in the glory he had with God before the world begun.Read Revelation. Jesus still calls his Father, God.That arguement you make is borrowed from the Trinitarians and it has been well and truly disproven on many previous discussions here.This is eternal life, that we will know the one true God And Jesus Christ whom He has…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2011,08:52)We will not be brothers by nature but by adoption. Did you not know that?And do you not know that we can partake of divine nature.Yes we are adopted, I know that. Q: What happens when we are adopted?A: We become the sons of God. Not the lesser sons of God, but the sons of God.And one of the precious promises…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2011,08:52)That is impossible to be the only begotten Son too, sorry to burst your bubble.You didn't burst my bubble. The bubble floated way above your head. It might have looked like it burst, but the light might have blinded your vision.Jesus is the son of God. And we are are the sons of God. So we are like him. I…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2011,11:15)Pierre,The Father is one God.The Son is one Lord.Together they make Jehovah our God…one unity.Luke 1:32“He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.” Psalm 83:18“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,…[Read more]

Quoting a post embeds the authors name by default. If the post has multiple quotes, it will embed all the names in your post.But it would still work if you copied the post excluding quotes in the post and then pasted it into a quote in your post, thereby removing the author of the post's name. That way no one has to defend themselves because they…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2011,11:05)You are incorrect…replace the word God with 'man.'If you are 'of' man, does that make you man…yes.Genesis 5:3 NASWhen Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth.LU, you clearly show a misunderstanding between…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2011,11:05)t8Jesus is THE image, not 'an' image.Please point out where I said he was an image. Because I agree that he is the image. The full expression. Where did I say “an image”?

BTW, KJ, I am still wondering why you haven't posted an intelligent rebuttal to the debate I am having with you? Have you given up, or are you going to post?https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….2;st=70

KJ.If intelligence was what made us understand God, then the intelligent would be saved. Blessed are the intelligent for they shall understand the truth.See how that thinking is carnal?It puts your other posts in perspective does it not?In addition, you have to class yourself as intelligent to put your self at the top of the pile.Is it not said…[Read more]

A tree is known by its fruit.If the fruit was carnal, then so was the root.

Stu, could you provide another person who shares your view, but also happens to be a worthy opponent.Someone who actually gets to the bottom of what caused everything to happen.If someone cannot give an explanation as to how nothing can do something, or something with an IQ less than a pair of jandals can produce a universe, then such a person's…[Read more]

Any appearance of YHWH is a servant or messenger of YHWH as he is invisible.E.g., He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.Or, There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.Notice the words OF. Of has a specific meaning…[Read more]

Let's look at what you believe.Jehovah = God of gods x Lord of lords.God of gods is the FatherLord of lords is Jesus.Simple deduction from what you teach here is that Jesus is not God, but Lord.Have you come full circle on this, or am I not understanding you correctly because I seem to remember when you were teaching that Jesus was God.I am…[Read more]

One more thing kathi is that the word LORD in the Old Testament is not the same as the word Lord in the New Testament. This has led to many a confusion especially with Trinitarians who freely interchange these words as if they were the same.The passage that says: God made Jesus both Lord and Christ, is not true if you render the Old Testament word…[Read more]

Predominantly, the King James Version of the Old Testament translates three different Hebrew words as lord; however, it does so with a careful use of upper case letters to let the reader know which word is in the original texts. When the King James Version translates the Hebrew word for Jehovah as lord, it uses LORD in all capitals. When the King…[Read more]

What is the difference between LORD, Lord, and lord.Many people trip over these differences. For example, YHWH is translated LORD and we know that Jesus is called Lord. So people think that this all means that Jesus is God. This is a misconception.Due to time restraints I am not going to put this in my own words but will quote part of a web page.…[Read more]

OK, I had a second take of your post and I think my response is more of a response to what you have said in the past.So Let's look at what you believe.Jehovah = God of gods x Lord of lords.God of gods is the FatherLord of lords is Jesus.Simple deduction from what you teach here is that Jesus is not God, but Lord.Have you come full circle on this,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2011,15:06)t8,You don't quite get what I am saying.  I will try to explain:Deut 10:17 tells us who Jehovah our God is:For the LORD (Jehovah) your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe. Jehovah our God = God of gods + Lord of…[Read more]