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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 12 months ago

    OK, Frank, I think you have officially lost the plot.You are now ranting, and that is after some here asked you some intelligent and well thought out questions regarding certain scriptures.Because you cannot answer them, and because you stick to your teaching regardless of the questions and scriptures posed to you, then it appears that we have no…[Read more]

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    Kathi you are aptly demonstrating how a personal doctrine or biased view can colour nearly all scripture or physical evidence toward your own doctrine. This is perhaps the biggest cause of false doctrine on the planet.The Trinity, Oneness, Evolution, and Atheism, all work this way. They have to accept the doctrine first, before they can make all…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2011,12:22)t8,The 'ego eimi' does not have a direct object and that makes it significantly different than the other times.  You don't seem to see that it makes a difference.Kathi, if they asked if he was Jesus of Nazareth, and 'I am' is a sufficient answer if you wish to reply with a yes.If you think that 'I am' on its…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 12 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,13:55)Asking one to explain their understanding of scriptures is not harassment, Frank.Actually it might be harassment if you have something to hide or are not willing to be challenged. Of course if we are students of Christ then we are a student of truth and we would expect such people to be able to give an answer…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 12 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 15 2011,01:25)Frank4Yahweh………………..Welcome brother, you have rightly spoken the truth here, it is refreshing to see others understand this truth also. Indeed Jesus did not Preexist his berth on this earth, He only existed in the mind and will of GOD and was the Prophesied Messiah to come by Moses and others…[Read more]

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    Yes Mike. A simple case of not reading all the facts. Conclusions can be very different when you select only part of the story.E.g., “There is no God” is very different to “the fool has said in his heart, there is no God”.

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    LU, read the context without bias and you will find that Jesus words in verse 58 were so offensive to the Jews, that they simply couldn’t take it anymore so they sought to stone him. It had nothing to do with two simple words, “ego eimi,” but because he was making himself out to be greater than their beloved father Abraham.Jesus used the phrase…[Read more]

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    LU, read the context without bias and you will find that Jesus words in verse 58 were so offensive to the Jews, that they simply couldn't take it anymore so they sought to stone him. It had nothing to do with two simple words, “ego eimi,” but because he was making himself out to be greater than their beloved father Abraham.Jesus used the phrase…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 14 years, 12 months ago

    I disagree Frank4YAHWEH.From what I can see, you are not answering objections raised here.This is symptomatic of someone who only hears teachers that itch his ears.And ignores everything that doesn't agree.This reminds me of the debates I have had with some who teach the Trinity.Of course, if you were able to provide an answer in season as to…[Read more]

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    KJ.”I am” in the New Testament is used by anyone wanting to convey the English equivalent of I am.A bit like this example:Q: Are you t8?A: I amSo we see in scripture:Q: Are you Jesus of Nazareth?A: I am.No fancy complicated secretly embedded message here KJ.Jesus said that he was Jesus of Nazareth.The I am doctrine you espouse resides only in your…[Read more]

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    Yes KJ.Read scripture. Your own ideas are inadequate.

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    KJ, the glorified Jesus is at the right-hand of God and by his own admission, the Father is still his God.We also know that once Jesus has redeemed creation he gives it back to God, so that God can be in all.Up to you whether you believe Jesus own words of course. No one can force you to.Anyway, I think this is meant to be a database of scriptures…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Test in the forum Test Posts 15 years ago

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 12 2011,13:46)Thanks t8,I didn't think this topic would take too long to build up.  There's just so many to choose from.  :)Yeah the hardest part is choosing a few from the hundreds that are available.

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    God's grace is his to give, but I would imagine that he would extend that same grace to all men one way or another.

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    Quote (moldme @ Nov. 12 2011,04:46)This event was not literal, graves of dead people did not fly open and dead decaying bodies did not pop out to walk around Jerusalem.You don't think that this had anything to do with Jesus having the keys of death and unlocking the righteous who were in Hades?Did not Jesus come to free us from the power of…[Read more]

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    Scripture (Romans 10:9): That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.Trinity:That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is God the son,” and believe in your heart that God the Father raised him from the dead, you will be saved.Scripture (Philippians 2:10-12):…[Read more]

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    Before Jesus died, the souls of men went to Hades in the place of the righteous or the place for the wicked. These parts of Hades were separate. Jesus took the keys of Death and Hades through the victory of his resurrection in which the powers of darkness were embarrassed and by doing so, was able to proclaim victory to those who were called the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Nov. 08 2011,18:53)I have admitted to nothing.Why let pride hold you back from confessing such things to others?

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    Our prayers are with you Irene.Trust in the LORD and all will work for his glory.

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