Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,05:01)All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work?  What does it do for the believer? How does it help me along the journey to become like Christ?What kind of fruit does it…[Read more]

Exodus 14:19And the Angel of God, who went before the camp of Israel, moved and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face and stood behind them.In the New Testament we read this account:1 Thessalonians 4:13For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 28 2006,19:49)Quote (Mercy @ Sep. 28 2006,03:33)I see overwhelming evidence that Jesus existed prior to his incarnation. I see a some strong evidence that he was the angel of the Lord.Hi Mercy, I agree with you….on both counts…Blessings This means that Is believes that God is an angel because he believes that Jesus is God…[Read more]

Exodus 13:21:22By day the LORD went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night.Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people.Exodus 23:20″See, I am sending an angel ahead of…[Read more]

KJ, you are not tired of repeating yourself, you are tired of questions that you have no answer to and thus shows the kind of foundation your teaching sits on.Now taking your last point, that God is the rock and Christ is the rock thus Christ is the God that fathered them.I will list a few points to consider before I show you a verse that shows it…[Read more]

Oops, just realized the subject of this topic.I assumed it was the body thread.

I really do not understand why this is such a hot topic. Maybe this is a battle of wills motivated by pride and the subject is only secondary.Angels are ministering spirits and I think that they have bodies. After all they can be seen.Jesus has a body and as such he is the visible image of the invisible God in bodily form.In scripture there is…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,13:54)“Did Christ start to rule in heaven in 1914 Mike”?He went back to the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.If I had to choose a date when he ruled God's Kingdom (after the resurrection) and if it had to have the number 14 in there, then I would choose 0014AD, not 1914AD. Jesus said “it is…[Read more]

That is right Nick. No one could count that number if I remember rightly.I could count up to 144,000, even though I have never done it before.There is obviously another group besides the 144,000. A much bigger group.

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,13:28)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2012,13:17)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,12:39)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgIf the sword of the spirit is the word and the spirit is the word, then the sword of the spirit must be the word of the word.Just saying.Hi T8,God's HolySpirit gives God's word “Bite”!………….So…[Read more]

OK, so far do we have a conversation, or is this really just a Twitter feed?

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2012,12:52)1 fullness of God = 1 God, the Father + 1 God, the Son + 1 Holy SpiritYou are almost the personification of the Trinity Doctrine in action. Instead of 60 years for the third person to be added it took you 60 weeks or so.For us there is one God the Father, and for you there is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:40)Well, this house (this forum) is divided by countless beliefs.David, this is not a house.Just as a joint is not a body part but 2 parts, so it is with this forum. There are the sons of God and those who are not and there is the interaction between that.In fact that is the definition of a forum.  A place where…[Read more]

Is Jesus the God that he is the son of?No. Rather, he is the son of God.Is Jesus the eternally generated son of God?No. He is the son of the eternal God.

What must we do to be saved?

OK Mike My 2cents worth:God wants us to have understanding, that is why prophecy is greater than unknown tongues.

I didn't say this in the original post, but one liners that are your own words in reply to another post is OK.Like this post.

Actually this conversation is easy to follow due to the lack of long quotes. Although it is hard to drill down and get details.

those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,04:39)Mike, have you actually met Nick?  The last 7 posts before this one, sometimes with Nick, you can have strings of such posts that go on for days–100's of posts long.  thousands!   Millions!  I like Nick, but I wish he would converse, more so than moderate.  And when he's not moderating, I wish he would not conv…[Read more]