Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2012,05:23)Mike and T8……….Jesus at the time of Paul writing this was already going into heaven and so Paul was referencing his Past “EARTHLY” EXISTENCE, but you and T8 are trying to make it appear He is talking about a time Past his earthly existence as if he then existed in the form of GOD.Form of God/nature…[Read more]

1 John 11 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched —this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 W…[Read more]

jammin it is easy to prove that Jesus is not the true God in 1 John 5:2020 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.Notice that the true God has a son in this verse. If Jesus is…[Read more]

Gene, in order to have a choice there has to be choices.And in order for their to be choices each choice has to be something that we can understand, feel, or comprehend.Then you have the right to choose freely given that you have all the facts so to speak.We have a free will. i.e., we are free to choose among the choices that are on offer. That is…[Read more]

Wow 7.0 that is pretty big.Very little damage as the quake was very deep.

OK, just had a decent earthquake.Hopefully it wasn't a big one further afield.

Here is another question. Do angels refer to each other as angels?Or do they use other words like Seraph, Cherub, Archangel…This would be telling as to whether angels is not a race, but an office instead.Also, as I pointed out once before in this thread, sometimes words change meaning.It is actually possible that the word angel/messenger…[Read more]

The conclusion is that both men and heavenly beings are called malak/angels/messengers in the Old Testament possibily due to the fact that God sent angels and men to be his mouth piece to the people.In the New Testament, the Greek word for malak is angelos. However unlike the Hebrew word the Greek word is mostly used of Heavenly beings. Does…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2012,01:21)Hi T8,Do you believe those “TWO” were…1. Angels2. Men3. Resurrected men                                                     …which do you believe?God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI personally think it is resurrected men who are called angels as testified in this scripture.I doubt th…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 02 2012,12:54)Hi t8:If you would read the scripture in context, you would understand that by the statement “I am” he was indicating the “he was foreordained before Abraham existed”.“I think therefore I am”.In this famous statement in English, what do you think the meaning of “I am” is?

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2012,22:00)I hold this interpretation is flawed even though Paul's choice of words make it seem reasonable. I am using it as an example of how false inferences can be drawn from a passage.And so all I am really doing is quoting scripture. And thus I am not the one trying to change the meaning.

In the last days, deception and false wonders will be so great that even if it were possible it would deceive all even the elect.However, I am sure that we will save us is our faith, the word of God, and testimony in the truth, even when outward signs may try to convince us with lies.

Hi gene.In response to your belief that there is no free will, I have decided to blog about that here.https://heavennet.net/free-will/

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2012,07:30)EDJ………. EXACTLY  Therefore it is a OXYMORON becasue (NO WILL IS FREE) of influence and therefore is not FREE “itself”, What people do EDJ is confuse the Word FREE with the LIBERTY GOD has given us to do and express our “captivated” WILLS>  “Cause and effect”, every cause has and effect, and every e…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2012,17:58)Jesus is the firstborn of creation who did not take on the nature of angel, but has taken on the seed of Abraham. He was also made a little lower than the angels; then later elevated above them.Correct. He did not take on the nature of angels.Rather he existed in the form of God, or the nature of God, emptied…[Read more]