Quote (kerwin @ July 06 2012,08:21)T8;You are inadvertently altering the passage when you replace “the nature of a servant” with “the nature of man.  The order of things seems to infer that all that was done previously to Jesus being “made” in the likeness of humanity but the word “made” is elsewhere translated “born” so it bears more looking…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 05 2012,04:49)T8……….Yes and that Choice is PREDICATED on something . If i offered you three pieces of Pie say a Cherry, Apple, or Berry, you would Choose the one you liked best. Now was your choice a FREE Choice or a “PREDICATED ONE” a Influenced Choice.  So that is NOT a Choice you made from a FREE “WILL” But a…[Read more]

There are a number of people in this thread that clearly disagree with these words.That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched —this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you t…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 13 2012,06:53)Quote (t8 @ June 12 2012,22:04)Nick, the Word was not THE God.Hi T8, opinions are NOT EVIDENCE. Scripture please?Three big logic fallacies that I see presented here:1. Opinions: opinions are presented as evidence.2. Scenarios: scenarios are presented as proof.3. Consensus: consensus is seen as conformationGod…[Read more]

kerwin.It is not really a mystery that he had the nature of God.That is not what is being disputed.It is the order that you are not seeing and you are not seeing because a predefined belief is getting in the way as they tend to do.The fact that you do not acknowledge the following proves this.Who, being in very nature God, did not consider…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2012,15:38)How about in Acts 1:10?  Men or angels?I think angels in the account of the tomb and in 1:10 – but that could be because that's the first thing that came to mind the first time I read those passages, and now it's stuck there.  Yeah my initial understanding was heavenly angels until I saw the 2 parallel a…[Read more]

Hi david.It could well be heavenly angels that are called men.However, Moses and Elijah did appear with Jesus in glory before some of the disciples.The two men could have  been the same because there were 2 and they had dazzling appearance.It seems a bit coincidental to me because the description matches. However, it would equally match 2 angels…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2012,21:52)T8;If you believe you are only quoting Scriptures then you are deceived.   You are interpreting those Scriptures as you seek to know them.  The question you should be asking is whether that interpretation is from God or man.Who, being in very nature God,   did not consider equality with God something to be us…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2012,05:23)Mike and T8……….Jesus at the time of Paul writing this was already going into heaven and so Paul was referencing his Past “EARTHLY” EXISTENCE, but you and T8 are trying to make it appear He is talking about a time Past his earthly existence as if he then existed in the form of GOD.Form of God/nature…[Read more]

1 John 11 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched —this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 W…[Read more]

jammin it is easy to prove that Jesus is not the true God in 1 John 5:2020 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.Notice that the true God has a son in this verse. If Jesus is…[Read more]

Gene, in order to have a choice there has to be choices.And in order for their to be choices each choice has to be something that we can understand, feel, or comprehend.Then you have the right to choose freely given that you have all the facts so to speak.We have a free will. i.e., we are free to choose among the choices that are on offer. That is…[Read more]

Wow 7.0 that is pretty big.Very little damage as the quake was very deep.

OK, just had a decent earthquake.Hopefully it wasn't a big one further afield.