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    Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 19 2012,02:53)t8,Isn't the qualification of opening the scroll to actually be the one who was slain? Was the Father qualified to open the scroll, no…the Father was not slain. This does not make Him less God, or less powerful.God knows when Jesus is coming back. Jesus does not know that. God knows all things. Even what is…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years ago

    Yes I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord.And we know that it was one higher than him that made him Lord and Christ, i.e., God.We are not told that every tongue will confess that he is God.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    The first commandment will give you a huge clue. And look at it in light of this verse and you know who that God is.Of course there are hundreds of other scriptures too.

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    It is not hard Kathi. It really isn't.If the greatest power the Father makes Jesus Lord of his creation, then Jesus is lord because the greatest said so and made so. To anyone who can read scripture and reason, that person would understand that Jesus would not be lord over the one who made him Lord.Even scripture says that when all things are…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Oct. 27 2012,16:51)I think you will find that you mean more massive and less massive objects, and indeed it is not just the less massive objects being attracted.Or perhaps you assume too much.Why does large and small mean size to you in all situations. It could also be larger mass or smaller mass for all know. Or larger influence and…[Read more]

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    Quote It is very important that you can give a cogent answer to this,But don't you need to be intelligent or wise to hear a cogent answer?”The fool has said there is no God”And let's face it, it is a true saying. You delete the God option and go for the eternal non-conscious option or the nothing option. God is deleted because you don't like the…[Read more]

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    Yeah. Nike actually made those shoes. But they cost $3500 a pair.

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    Stu you lack understanding. There are a number of errors in your post as to what the bible actually says.Nice try, but this is a fail for you. Have another go. Poor fellow that Stu. Spent the best time of the week making mistakes by himself on a subject that he is passionate about and also equates with Pink Unicorns. I myself cannot see the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:00)Stu.What exactly do you live for?Just work; eat; sleep;have some fun;grow old in a home and die,and the grave.Stu will die like all men do.And it will be something he will face alone and he won't be so brave when he reflects on how he spent his life.Imagine his surprise when he realises that life had eternal…[Read more]

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    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:00)Stu.What exactly do you live for?Just work; eat; sleep;have some fun;grow old in a home and die,and the grave.Stu will die like all men do.Then it will be something he will face alone.Imagine his surprise when he realises that life had eternal meaning and consequences.Maybe he will realise the gift that he…[Read more]

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    Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2012,23:55)Quote (t8 @ Oct. 21 2012,17:59)Instead we are only required to give honour to that sourceWhy should you be required to do that?StuartThe same reason you would give honour to your own father, but even more so. Or why your own children should honour you as their father.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    “That they may know the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom HE has sent.Funny how something as clear as that can be twisted by a person with a twisted view.A person of sound mind can see the manipulation as clear as day.You need help Kathi. This is not a game. It is eternal life.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years ago

    What do you chose Kathi.1) Jesus is Lord (Kurios)2) Jesus is YHWH (LORD)I choose 1).

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,20:44)Jesus is only Lord to you if He is not YHWH the Son who is the Lord of lords. Isn't that right, t8?1 Cor 12:3Because I inform you of this: there is no man who speaks by The Spirit of God and says, “Yeshua is damned”, neither can a man say, “Yeshua is THE LORD JEHOVAH”, except by The Spirit of Holines…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,20:28)I can pass this test, no problem.I have told you that in some contexts 'God/the God' will be the Father, in some contexts 'God/the God' will be the Son (which proves your doctrine wrong) and in some contexts 'God/the God' will be the unity.But there are also angels, men, false gods too and your unity doesn't…[Read more]

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    Kathi. YHWH made Jesus both Lord (kurios) and Christ.It really is that simple.Of course, the one who made him Lord over his creation would be over him.But for us and creation, God made Jesus our Lord. And the Father is God.Ephesians 1:17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,17:11)Is Jesus the Lord of YOUR life?Yes. And his Father is my God.My Lord and my God.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,17:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,21:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,20:45)Mike,I think this sums things up to show that Jesus is making Himself out to be the Son of God and therefore God with the Father:I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself……………I enjoy your sense of humor, Kathi.…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 02 2012,17:01)Kathi, what sane person would even utter those words?Maybe an 'in' person?

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 14 years ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,19:09)Quote The second point is HIS because Israel is a single nation.YHWH is HE because YHWH is a single unity.So you admit that Israel is HIM because Israel is one nation.Why don't you just say it was right instead of not publicly acknowledging it and trying to enforce another point that just happened to also be…[Read more]

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