Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,16:33)Like I said, Jesus did not believe in a God that created Him like you two. His God was His Father.Your not paying attention.If he was begotten of God, then God would rightly be his father.See it now?

Yes correct Mike. There is one God. Kathi teaches a different God, but that doesn't change the fact that there is one true God.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,02:00)That is amusing that in those last two posts t8 'good points' Mike but then totally disagrees with what he posted, as seen in his last statement.  Unless Mike was saying that himself, t8 and Jesus have the same God. I can't even find the original quote. Where was the original quote, Mike?However, Mike and t8…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2012,14:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,06:05)The YHWH echad existed before eternity and wasn't the creator or redeemer before creation either.Ah, but the fact that God MADE the universe means the universe wasn't eternally existing, right?Likewise, the fact that God MADE Jesus Lord means that Jesus wasn't eternally…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,02:16)t8,Can kurios be a placeholder for YHWH in the Greek?Yes, and so can others be called that.Context is the key as I have always maintained.Usually it tells you what kurios is being referenced.

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 07 2012,23:06)As it is, I have explained to you already how the universe came into existence, and you are in denial about that history. I'm sorry for you that you seem unable to accept the answers to the questions you pose.Maybe I missed that one.Was that the post where you repeated Hawkins idea about gravity?Would you like a…[Read more]

Regarding gigantism, we know from the fossil record that many species that exist today were much bigger in the past. Redwoods, dragonflies, reptiles (dinos), even kangaroos.And I also work with Photoshop and could easily replicate that picture. I could also do that with a mere camera and no special effects. It is called forced perspective.

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 08 2012,00:05)Hi T8,These pictures are known to be photoshopped hoaxes.The other two things you mention have not been proven to be hoaxes at all, but my real question to you would be:why would you want to encourage wakeup to continue to believe something that makes him appear foolish?That is not a very friendly, or…[Read more]

And another. They will be part of the Body of Christ and preach in the name of Jesus Christ. They will not speak in any other name including denominations and men. They will speak in the name of Jesus Christ whom YHWH sent.

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 07 2012,21:03)You believe the Jew's conclusion while I do not find them creditable except where they agree with other Scriptures which state Jesus was under 50 years old.Here's the thing kerwin.I believe that Jesus said he existed before Abraham and the Jews did not, (Before Abraham, ego eimi/I exist).So it is you who believes…[Read more]

Quote John 1:18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.1 John 4:12 (English-NIV)No one has ever seen God; ….1 Timothy 1:17 (English-NIV)Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the ONLY God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.Amen.1 Timothy 6:15-16 (English-NIV)15 w…[Read more]

Kathi. He is the prototype son. When I originally used that term you questioned me, but all I said was that he as the prototype son or prototype. You have yet to disprove this, and why are we talking about this? Are you just taking pot shots at trying to find a crack in my defense. If so, don't waste your time and get on proving what it is you…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,02:10)So, now that you admit that there are two who are called 'the theos' sit on the Father's throne, let's move on to creation.Sorry Kathi. But because you are not specifying the usage of theos, your conclusion is not correct.I believe that the Father is the THEOS.All the others including Jesus, Men, Angels are…[Read more]

Yes good point Mike.We have the same God.And Kathi's God according to her own teaching is obviously different to the God of Jesus which is also the God of all true believers.

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 07 2012,11:23)Then why did he tell Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil which would have given them that knowledge?I didn't read all your post, but I skimmed the page and this comment stood out, so I decided to answer it for you.He told him to not eat of it because he would die. Notice he didn't stop…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 07 2012,19:53)Jesus is called 'the theos of me' by Thomas.Either way, this doesn't prove your biune unity.There is a double definite article. This is unnecessary if it was talking about one, Jesus. My LORD and my GOD would be better said My Lord and God. So the double definite article opens up the very real possibility that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 07 2012,19:53)Btw, where are men called 'theos?'And you have been here how long.You must not read what we post.Reference to this has been made probably hundreds of times so far.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 07 2012,19:37)Definition of PROTOTYPE1: an original model on which something is patterned : archetypeExactly. The first. The original. All the others are based on it.

And for US LU, we believe that the LORD thy God is one. The Father.No matter how you cut it, this is how we view this and “The LORD thy God is two” works for your view, just as “The LORD thy God is three” works for KJ & Is.Shall we stop the pretend game and just admit that is correct. You can legitimately say that the LORD thy God is two because…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 07 2012,20:00)t8,Believe what you want.For me there is the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity…one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.But if you are honest, it is also correct according to what you say that “The LORD thy God is two”.This is after all what you are teaching and it is a true sentence regarding what you teach.