Quote (Stu @ Dec. 09 2012,23:39)That idea is that since no god believer has ever produced unambiguous evidence for his god claim, therefore it is a valid provisional conclusion that the god believer is deluded, and no gods really exist.That's not a faith-based belief that I hold because it is not based in evidence, it is a scientific conclusion…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 09 2012,23:39)I do have an idea about whether there is a god or not.Thank you, thank you, thank you for being honest.

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 10 2012,17:10)The NT writers call him LORD, you just don't want to see it. Jesus is the name given the man that YHWH the Son became. YHWH is the name given the pre-existent Son.The NT writers call him Lord. And the NT says that God made Jesus Lord. That alone shows you are wrong.If God made him LORD as you would likely…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 10 2012,17:10)Jesus is the name given the man that YHWH the Son became. YHWH is the name given the pre-existent Son.So the Father is not YHWH then.And if you say that both of them are called by the name YHWH, then you have 2 YHWHs.Either way you are proven wrong.There are not two YHWHs and the Father is definitely YHWH.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 11 2012,05:21)Mike………The word “With” can imply a Plan or thought, while the word “alongside” forces the text into a different meaning and you and T8 well know this IMO. You both distort the text which shows your biases to what is actually written,  My point is why do you guys seem to always add words to the…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 09 2012,23:34)What, the universe exists because you tap randomly on keys?You're not aping any story I've spun.StuartThen we must be speaking beyond your ability to understand. I will dumb things down for you. Actually might need to dumber or dumbest them down. I will let you choose.Dumb, dumber, dumbest.?

Ed J, it is likely that the PM box will not be transferable and links will definitely break because the URLs to topics will be different. That said, this current forum would remain live, but I would just remove the ability to post. So you would still have access to PMs.

Ed J, I can't change anyone's vote. But I will take a mental note of it when assessing which way the votes go.

Quote (Stu @ Nov. 30 2012,23:40)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 30 2012,20:19)t8? who's that?My name is magilla and I am typing this out without realising it. Just tapping the keys randomly and this post is the result.You have to at least give this credibility because it lines up with your view of the universe. If you are insulted by this post, then you have at…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ May 27 2010,02:06)T8, Great posts, however I think you forgot some commas – When intelligence is not involved, what do you have left, Stu? Sorry Stu I couldn't resist, in fact you are intelligent, to a point. But you have become vain in your reasonings, contributing the glory of God's creation to pure chance. It surely…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2012,08:33)This thread has gone way off topic.  Do any of the atheists out there have an actual explanation to the points that t8 and Wm made in this thread?If the eternal monkeys will take one gagillion years (or whatever) to happen upon the minute amount of information stored in the 23rd psalm with random keystrokes,…[Read more]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 09 2012,01:50)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2012,12:05)Science will not save your soul, no matter how much faith you put in it.Nor will belief in anything.If there is a soul to be saved, and it can be, then it will be.If not, we have no control over the outcome.TimBelief in the truth is the exception. Ignoring the truth in anything…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ Dec. 08 2012,21:09)you Love your control. your More Dangerous to civilization than the men that didn't even Know when their town would end. let alone the world.And now for 1 Pet 4:1.”If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.” Yes I realise the stance that the world will have and when this hate peaks, it will be back to…[Read more]

LU, what you do not realise is this.”This, then, is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. For everyone who practices wicked things hates the light and avoids it, so that his deeds may not be exposed. But anyone who lives by the truth comes to the light, so…[Read more]

LU, let's be clear about something.The reason you and KJ have the view that YHWH is the God of this wicked world is because if it was Satan as most already know, you both would then have to concede to the true meaning of the word 'theos' and thus it would threaten your whole case about Jesus being the Most High Theos.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2012,10:47)That is a HILARIOUS avatar, t8!  It brings back memories of Ting-a-ling.  (That was our Chinese Pug when I was young.  My parents figured that since she was a Chinese Pug, she should have a Chinese sounding name.   )I like the teeth the best, but they do look a little artificial.And I could adapt the name to &#0…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2012,03:15)t8,you said:Quote And he is the prototype son and are we not sons of God.He, Jesus, is eternal, we are not. Here lies the difference between being the only begotten/not created son who is God by nature and attributes and being the created son who is not God by nature and attributes.Correction.Being the…[Read more]

Gene also needs to add a paragraphs to some scriptures so they fall in line with his view. When I reword a text, but keep its meaning intact, he says I am wrong. When I give him the scripture, he says the scripture is correct, and then adds a paragraph so that it falls in line with his view.The short of it is that we can quote these scriptures and…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 07 2012,18:08)Well how do you know? If both God intervening, and God not intervening can look exactly the same, then how do you know, t8?Physically speaking you wouldn't. You might be spiritually aware enough to distinguish between the two. But usually we are recipients and often do not question everything in detail, but react…[Read more]