Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2013,00:23)The killing of Jesus was immoral.  Anyone who bases their hope upon that immoral act is also immoral, in my opinion.StuartImmorality implies morality. Morality implies a moral code or law.Law implies a law giver who is moral.A good explanation of God.Not hard to understand.

Ha ha. Good one.

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 22 2013,17:16)Pro 8:23 I WAS SET UP FROM ETERNITY , and of old, before the earth was made.4Thomas, We understand that before creation of the heavens (time and space) there was the Word that was with God. So yes he came from eternity. But that doesn't mean that he has always been.The Father was before Jesus no matter how you…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 21 2013,17:02)That would be the name the Father and Son are known as in the old testament. YHWHOr didn't the Father descend on a cloud and apss before Moses and talk with him? Exodus 34:5-75 Now the Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord. 6 And the Lord passed before him and…[Read more]

Calling men to abandon their own understanding and variety of views for the scriptural understanding that there is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, one Spirit, and one faith is not calling people into Babylon2 or Babbleton. Quite the opposite. It is calling people to believe what the faith is that was delivered to us by the Apostles.

Without looking at the videos, your comment “Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct?)                 (<– the short answer is "Yes")" is just plain humorous.That is like saying can 1+1 =2 and 1+1=3.Sure when you twist things, you can make anything say anything. However, it is not wise to twist truth.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,16:18)t8,The 'appendix 3' in the quote box here agrees that the article is significant but its significance disagrees with your application of it. The quote says that adam with the article would not refer to the person with the proper name of Adam.If that is correct, then your arguments about 'adam' and 'the Adam'…[Read more]

Hi abe. Would it not be more accurate to say that the Word that was with God was once in God or an attribute of God. Likewise, Wisdom that was the workman with God that was given birth, was an attribute of God. And just as a flame lights another flame, and doesn't lessen the first flame, so it is with the giving birth of Wisdom and the bringing…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 21 2013,15:37)Your religion of separating Jesus from his human roots is a false teachingAlthough he existed in the FORM of God, he emptied himself, and came in the flesh. He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is now seated at the right-hand of God in the glory that he had with him before the world began.It is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 21 2013,15:37)T8…….I simply ask you for a scripture that says this, Jesus ” preexisted” his berth on this earth ,Oh sorry. Here we are.John 8:58-5958 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away fr…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,13:33)How many Greek classes have you taken, t8? You have a friend that says the lack of the article is significant. So why is that a support for your theology? Significant doesn't mean less than. Maybe your friend doesn't know about predicate nominative. Maybe you should show him what I linked you to. That was a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,13:28)The Word of Yahweh is Yahweh the Son.The Eve of Adam is Adam his wife.No, Eve of Adam is adam/mankind, his wife.You are saying the first sentence, I am saying the second.Pretty clear which one is right.You are confused. Come out of this confusion so that you might see clearly.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,06:32)More t8 confusion:I have never said that I am an authority in Greek grammar and even much less an authority in Hebrew grammar. I have never pretended that I was. Although I have had a year and a half of Greek Biblical grammar study in a classroom. I have only had two classes in a Biblical Hebrew classroom so…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 22 2013,10:44)No. Jesus was a man. (simplicity)You have your own spirit even though there are many other spirits in existence, and so, that spirit is the spirit of “t8”. Your spirit can be shared for example when you write or when you talk to people. You can influence people with your spirit, etc. With God, He has His own…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,06:08)t8,Your post is a great example of breaking HN rules…false accusations, slander of another member.If you want to display YOUR confusion all over HN, that is up to you. I have in my signature that there is Jehovah the Father AND ALSO Jehovah the Son. That is two, who together with their Spirit, form an…[Read more]

Exactly kerwin is that not the point of what I am posting. My first post is not affirming or agreeing with the videos to follow and the fact that the last video has the words refuted in it, means that it refutes the 3 videos above it.Did you think I was posting all this because it was truth?Clearly I am exposing it.

Kerwin, which part of my post was wrong and which part am I guilty of doing?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:38)So, I learned something about 'the Adam' tonight in my Hebrew class. 'the Adam' refers to a specific person that bears the image of God…in other words 'a specific follower' of God. Without the 'the,' adam refers to the believers in general. The word 'adam' is not a word for unbelieving man in general or a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:49)Mike,Origen is making an argument based on the absence of the article to show the second God mentioned is a lessor type. This is what is the failed argument. Mike,Origen is making an argument based on the absence of the article to show the second God mentioned is a lessor type. This is what is the failed…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:43)Like I have unfortunately had to say many times…don't pay any attention to what t8 says about what I believe. For instance, I certainly do believe that Jesus is the Son of God.If you believe that Jesus is the son of God and that Jesus is God, then you believe that Jesus is his own son.That is the conclusion…[Read more]