Go here Stu.https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=120

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2013,22:42)A) nothing STUB) something CHARITYC) someone (Consciousness) T8Let the games begin.Who wants to take the first shot?Here it is.Go.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 28 2013,22:41)So if I asked you Stu,Is there anything before the Big Bang?You would say no. That means there was no things or no anything, or more simply put: NOTHING.You have faith and a belief that there was Nothing and then SOMETHING appeared out of nothing.Boy can I make a meal out of that.Pass the salt please.

I would like to revive the conversation we had here. Stu ran away from it, but in another topic he is being brave and saying that I run away from defending things. So let's continue this dialogue and I will post where the conversation left off in the next post.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2013,00:26)Was it healthy behaviour for you to divert the…[Read more]

Let's get going again.

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 21 2013,00:26)Was it healthy behaviour for you to divert the discussion away from the points of science upon which you were abjectly wrong?StuartIs that an invitation to go back to the Hot Seat and back to where you agree that the Universe came from nothing.Good, I look forward to continuing. I assumed you ran off, but your…[Read more]

BTW, I have seen many of these Kingdoms from TV and have personally visited the Kingdom of Tonga. But yeah, TeleVISION has helped me see many things. I guess that Jesus had a VISION Stu. A bit like TeleVISION, but GodVISION.In fact, much of the Bible is written accounts of VISIONS.I have had many VISIONS myself. But you would deny that reality…[Read more]

Kathi, I don't have access to he Greek Text of Ignatius, and I likely do not have the time to dissect his text even if I had. However, I have already covered both sides of the coin in a previous post and neither is saying that Jesus is the Most High God. And I have further proof which you have obviously overlooked in your zeal to prove you are the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,18:56)So, I'll choose #4.4) Judas was devil-like.Yes you are right. Judas was devil-like.But, apologies. I made a mistake with option 3. It should have read, 3) That Judas had the character or nature of the DevilI was trying to convey that he had some of the Devil's qualities in that option. It was not my intention…[Read more]

If Jesus did not know the day nor the hour that means even he did not know everything. Thus only God knows all things.Whatever we know has been released to us in some way.

Oh okay. A higher dimension then.Where can I buy a 4D TV?

Yes 2besee, I honestly did not get your point. Just telling it as it is.The fault may well be mine.

2besee, I never read his whole post because it was not worthy.

Kathi and Mike,When Jesus said about Judas, “one of you is devil”, was he saying:1) That Judas was the Devil (Satan).2) That Judas was a devil (excluding Satan)3) That Judas had the characteristics or nature of the Devil4) Another explanationWhat is your choice?

Also ask yourself, if being brought forth in eternity means that you existed in all eternity?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,17:47)Ignatius in other writings calls the Son, the eternal Word. Do you believe that the Son was the eternal Word, t8?Kathi, I am not sure what sense he was saying this because I would have to see the context. But for now, ask yourself, “do you have eternal life?”.

No I didn't miss that.But I saw the pattern and you did not.Most High God + the Father, and of Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son + the Churchanswers to:Jesus Christ, + our God and Saviour; + the ChurchAnd all the other mentions follow the pattern but do not include the Church, i.e., God and Jesus.Sure it does mention Jesus first and if Ignatius…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,16:55)Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High God the Father, and of Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is sanctified and enlightened by the will of God, who formed all things that are according to the faith and love of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,16:55)Ignatius was a disciple of the writer of John 1:1 wrote this:The Epistle of Ignatius to the RomansShorter and Longer VersionsIgnatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High Father, and Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is…[Read more]

Kathi, I am glad you brought up 'theiotes'. I looked at this some years back and want to revisit it.