Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,19:42)The context does not indicate that Jesus was inferring to the Father that Jesus was not also a true God. I do not see that as the intent AT ALL.Oh yeah.John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.What part of THE ONLY TRUE GOD do you not…[Read more]

Kathi, even that does not mean that JEsus is YHWH the Most High God.Jesus said, 'ye are theos'. There you go. If they can be 'theos' then how much more Jesus. And if angels are elohim, then would not someone greater also be and that much more.You see, either way you lose the debate.For us there is one God the Father.For you there is…

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,20:04)This verse can be read in more than one way:John 17:3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.1. The Father is the true God, Jesus is the true God/Man. The Father is not true God/Man. Jesus is not only true God, He is the true God/Man.2. Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,20:02)That is a complete misuse of the teaching about removing the plank in your own eye before removing the speck in your brother's eye. The plank and speck are both not true in that teaching.I didn't quote that scripture as the structure for what this topic is about. I only borrowed the plank and the speck part.…[Read more]

PlankJohn 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.SpeckJohn 20:28Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”Those that use John 20:28 to prove the Trinity use it to the detriment of John 17:3 for example. Here is a clear example of the speck nullifying the plank.So in my view the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,19:03)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,23:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,17:48)This should get you a tile. All sorts of lies here. Reader please note:This comment is so full of lies it is awful and the moderator is so breaking the HN rules and the other moderator agrees with him. Both moderators are corrupt on HN. Both…[Read more]

Most early Fathers who mention the Word talk about it residing in God as an attribute and then it being brought forth at some point like a flame that lights another flame. Where as you believe that there was always 2 flames (so to speak).We see a similar account regarding Wisdom in scripture. Spoken of as an attribute (she) it is given birth and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,17:48)This should get you a tile. All sorts of lies here. Reader please note:This comment is so full of lies it is awful and the moderator is so breaking the HN rules and the other moderator agrees with him. Both moderators are corrupt on HN. Both misrepresent me terribly and get away with it because they are…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,17:40)t8,I see that you have commentary about my post but you did not make a specific choice. Which choice is most correct? #1#2#3#4Kathi, I am not sure that any are correct because I cannot tell if there are definite articles or not. If you asked this question from a biblical verse, I could most likely give you a…[Read more]

Yes Mike. It amazes me when discussing with people who ignore the plank and find a speck and expect us to ignore the plank too. Kathi is not the only one. Stu the Atheist is the same.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2013,16:47)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 24 2013,21:34)The most logical thing to point out here is if Ignatius believes that the Father is God and Jesus is his son as attested in the second quoted paragraph, then Ignatius is obviously not saying that Jesus is God in the sense that I think you are hoping he is saying it, because if…[Read more]

Ha ha. I was just going to say is this Charity's other personality. But I thought better not in case it was wrong.

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 25 2013,22:18)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 25 2013,19:08)Or you could equally have said a gay ape.This is progress for you, t8.  Well done!StuartThanks Stu. Just using your vocab and understanding to relate to you.

I should also add that many scriptures that Trintarians use as proof verses are controversial, in that they can say something else if you move the comma or they were added into scripture by man. So it would not surprise me if the same bias showed up in the translations of these other writings. But I don't have the time to scrutinise everything,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,09:49)According to the words in the quote box, “The Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans”, which do you think is the most correct answer:#1 Jesus is NOT identified as our God in any way.#2 ONLY Jesus IS identified as our God.#3 ONLY the Father is identified as our God.#4 The Father IS identified as our God, the Son IS…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,09:49)t8,You are truly missing the point. Ignatius was a disciple of the writer of John 1:1. His thoughts should help clear up whether or not the second theos mentioned in John 1:1c is likely a second identity who is understood to be as our God also or not.Kathi, I have not missed the point.Because if he begins that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,08:29)3) That Judas had a similar character, quality, or nature of the Devil.Okay cool. Being picky is okay if you want to be exact.

Yes SatanVision in this case.The language of the spirit realm is vision.When I say the word “red” it is a sound, but your mind creates a vision of red. Imagine being able to communicate in vision without having to make a sound first.

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,00:51)I didn't ask you what the Google dictionary says nothing is, I asked you what you mean by it.  So far, thinking of the difficulty of the question you are asking, all we have from you is trivial platitudes.The definition of nothing as found in a dictionary is what you should go by. I am not inventing a new word.I…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,00:42)So your theology has your god telling the Romans to kill Jesus?Or is this another of those get-out-of-jail-free cards with “Mysterious ways” written on it?StuartMy theology is that God knew that the powers of darkness would kill him if they had the chance. God gave them the chance they were looking because they…[Read more]