11:28 is getting late Stu.

I do, but not with you. The point is lost on one such as you.Learned that along time ago.If I keep it simple, then there is also less chances for dodging good points. Although now there is the Hot Seat. Great invention that. I am thinking of patenting the idea.That reminds me, I should head over there and turn up the heat by a few degrees.

Have you guys noticed how iPhones have evolved lately? They are still looking highly competitive in the eco-system they exist in.Stu, what say you? Do you agree that the evolution of the iPhone has been outstanding?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2013,20:14)I believe the Tatian quote is showing how the Father did not become less when He begat from Himself another person, like how one flame can start another flame without becoming less than it was before. It is the idea of being fruitful by multiplying, not fruitful by dividing and becoming less.Well of course…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2013,20:04)t8A tree comes into being from a seed, that doesn't mean it's coming into being was a beginning of existence. It just means that it came into being in a different state. It went from within a seed to be apart from the seed. It existed within the seed before it came forth from the seed. Going from a closed…[Read more]

“The LORD thy God is one God.”&”This is eternal life, that you may the only true God, and Jesus Christ who he has sent.”These 2 verses condemn your view in a serious way and they show us clearly who that one true God is.Here is what you need to consider:1) You break an important commandment.2) Best case scenario for those who teach others to break…[Read more]

Those that teach men to break the commandments will be least in the Kingdom.The first commandment is the most important one.”The LORD thy God is one God.”And if anyone here respects Jesus then they would respect his word and this in particular:“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”

Also notice the words “But He came into being”.What does that tell you?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,19:28)The early fathers, when using the flame illustration, speak of eternally emitting from the source and that there never was a time that the flame did not emit from the source. I believe their point is you can't have one without the other, like you can't have a father without there being an offspring in…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 26 2013,20:34)Of course you could save it by addressing my other questions in a meaningful way:Are you including zero-point energy in your “nothing”?  If not, why not?  Is the absence of matter and energy all you mean?  Are you asking for a theory of dark matter and dark energy as well?  That is definitely a “don't know”, but the…[Read more]

Charity. Free will plays out. This is what determines who and what we are.No one is forcing us to love God and no one is not stopping us from hating him.Just true decisions remaining in the end as proof of what we are and who we are.

PlankGod is invisible. No man has seen God.SpeckMoses saw YHWH.On the outset, this could be seen as two contradictory planks.But when we delve deeper we know that what Moses saw was an angel as that is clearly described in both the Old and New Testaments.But Trinitarians hard at work will use the speck to nullify the plank. And even after they…[Read more]

Jesus existed in the form of God, emptied himself and came in the flesh. He died, rose again, and is seated at the right hand of God, in the glory that he had with him before the world began.It really is that simple. The Church doesn't need the Trinity, Binity, or Quinity to explain anything. It was never complicated to begin with. And the world…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,20:41)I didn't say that the verse said that Jesus is also the only true God. I was giving you another way of understanding Jesus' intent. What I said in other words is that it is true that Jesus is not only true God because He was both true God/Man at that time.This is the only way that the Father could be the only…[Read more]

Also, I am not saying I preexisted. I don't know where you get half this stuff.

Ke?I am saying that the Word in God was brought forth to be with him.I am saying that wisdom was given birth and was the craftsman at God's side.I am saying that Jesus came from God and derived only from God before coming in the flesh.I am saying that he existed in the form of God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, died, and is now seated at…[Read more]

You have made it clear that One who is YHWH sent the other who is YHWH.You have made it clear that YHWH is more than one person or identity.You have made it clear that Jesus is ALSO the Almighty God.Kathi, no one here ascribes credibility to you or your doctrine.Think for a minute. Paul and us disagree with you.The Jews disagree with you.The…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,20:47)I never said that Jesus was God the Father too.You are saying that Jesus is the Only true God too and that he sent Jesus because we both know that the only true God sent Jesus. Two problems here. 1) The only true God is the Father, so you are wrong.2) The only true God sent Jesus. Jesus did not send Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,19:19)You try so hard to miss it. A child could see that the two cells are exactly the same type.But not the same cell.Jesus existed in the form of God (that is the same type not the same God).Thank you. I have been saying this all along and now you have come round to this too.Progress is slow.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,19:19)t8,You are not getting that I speak of two powers of YHWH.Cell (a) is the first power of YHWH in the illustration.Cell (b) is the second power of YHWH in the illustration.I get what you say, that is why I say your teaching is not true.If you are going to go down that road, then you have to add those who are…[Read more]