Charity, I am not opposes to having a laugh. I have certainly had humour aimed at me, and I can laugh about it. It helps make conversations a bit more interesting when you inject other emotional indicators into the conversation.

http://mangahelpers.com/t/harun/releases/11942Literal Translation is the act of rendering as closely as possible the wording, structure, and grammar of a source document into the translation. Fluency is not as important as fidelity. This type of text is often made for students and scholars who have knowledge of the language they are reading.…[Read more]

Mike I am not saying you are wrong. And I am not opposing you. What I am doing is this. I am saying that you will be opposed by most till the end for saying that John 1:1c is saying that Jesus is a god. Because to to the minds of most, that would be saying Jesus is a literal god and similarly that Judas is an actual demon. Whereas I believe if we…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2013,17:52)And I believe the Jews were accusing Jesus of making himself out to be A god, not “God Almighty Himself”. And Jesus was saying, if THEY are considered gods, then why not me? I'm the one God actually set apart from all the others, sent into the world, and said, “This is my Son, the beloved”!But that is for…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2013,17:52)He was calling them “gods”, plain and simple. BTW, I believe that verse is about the divine counsel – not men like most people think. I believe God was speaking to the spirit sons that He had placed over various nations of the earth (ie: the Prince of Persia that Michael fought). They did not handle their…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 07 2013,15:55)Further, I agree with you that John 1:1c can be correctly translated as “the Word was a god”, just as Jesus said, “one of you is a devil”, but I think the reader needs to read them both as referring to nature or in quality, rather than literal.In that sense both could be translated as saying the Word was one who is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 07 2013,17:41)T8,Where is “a” in the Ancient Greek.There is no indefinite article in Greek.Thus when Jesus said, “One of you is a devil”. He actually said, “one of you is devil”.Translators put in the indefinite article to make in intelligible in English.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2013,07:17)Mike ……T8 or you hav enot answered Me Honestly, I ask if ther ewas a “scripture that says Jesus Christ PREEXISTED HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH AS A LIVING BEING A simple Yes or No answer would suffice but not a scripture you can force to say what in fact i did not ask you for, Skiriting the direct question…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ April 06 2013,18:13)I think stu finally took up a new hobby.Philately?Feeding pigeons?Anyone want to take a guess?

The Hot Seat did its job. I am just thanking you for setting up the Hot Seat discussion that is all. It is good to weed out those who are not forthcoming with answers to questions that should be asked by those who say one view is wrong and their one is right. It is not bad to ask questions, but if they don't answer, then they have no purpose but…[Read more]

Another example would be me saying, “You are an angel”. Ignore for a moment that it means messenger in scripture, if I use that sentence today, it is speaking of a Heavenly Angel. Now the sentence is saying that you are an angel (noun) right? But the meaning to be derived is that I am saying you are angel like or have a nature resembling that of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2013,16:12)The DEFINITION could include “theios” – which is the ADJECTIVAL form of “theos”, and would therefore be correct.But notice how the examples for that definition are not adjectives – but instead nouns.Correct. But my point is if Judas was a devil (adjective used as a noun), to distinguish from a literal devil…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2013,16:12)I did some checking, and “diablos” in John 6:70 is for sure an adjective. BUT………. I then compared “diablos” in Matthew 4:1 and 4:5, where it is used as “THE devil”, and they are both also ADJECTIVES – not NOUNS. Interesting indeed. Your point has been confirmed as rational, my friend.I wish more…[Read more]

Agreed Kerwin. I think you are the only one to understand this, or perhaps say it.

Further, I agree with you that John 1:1c can be correctly translated as “the Word was a god”, just as Jesus said, “one of you is a devil”, but I think the reader needs to read them both as referring to nature or in quality, rather than literal.In that sense both could be translated as saying the Word was one who is divine or Judas was one who was…[Read more]

Interesting note Mike that when Jesus said of Judas, “one of you is a devil” (one of you is diablos), that as Kathi points out that too is an adjective, but is said to be almost invariably used in the New Testament as a noun.This happens in English too. The word “Mod” was a noun once, and is now mainly an adjective.And so when Jesus was talking…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 06 2013,17:59)I start to believe that Kathy is like a car salesman ,that as a rotten car to sell ,he knows but it does not stop him from trying to sell it to an unaware individual ,:DYeah, trying to sell a used car with hidden rust.But she get's no money for doing so.Just the satisfaction of being able to sell it seems to…[Read more]

Stu quit because he knew he was going to have to answer real questions, and the Hot Seat made it possible to stop him from avoiding real questions as has been his main strategy in the past.Thanks Hot Seat. Thanks Charity. Together you made it possible. High five.This further solidifies the idea that Atheism is a belief system and no Atheist so far…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ April 04 2013,13:20)Jesus (Christ Michael) isn't the 2nd person of the paradise Trinity in the UB, he is a creation of the Trinity.Thanks for the spoiler I haven't got to that part yet. Anyway, when does the movie come out?

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 06 2013,08:52)Well, neither one of them listened to you T8.TimYeah true.Don't know about you but I don't usually follow discussions that are 10% new material and 90% quotes.