To set the record straight, which position are you basing your view on.The Universe came into existence from:a) A God/Creator/Intelligenceb) Nothingc) Something non-living/aware.Feel free to offer a fourth point if none of the above fit. And we will discuss that first in that case.Also, how many sugars?

Okay cool.

Yeah I am with you so far.

Why can't God be talking to the one whom is his very own image and through whom he created the cosmos. Would that not be the obvious conclusion to draw even without looking into this in-depth?

@ bodhitharta All these other so-called scriptures that were written after the Bible had the luxury of the Bible to copy from and then expand.If you take any document and then add to it, then you can can easily put your own spin on it.Could you imagine Jesus quoting from the Book of Mormon, the Koran, Divine Principles, and the Urantia if his…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,15:07)t8,The oldest known meaning of the Hebrew word “el” is “mighty one”.Please tell me if you agree with this definition.  If not, then please list your own definition.I haven't studied that to any depth, so I am not sure.But according to the TDNT it means mighty among other things.god, god-like one, mighty…[Read more]

@ palal I myself experienced Outer Darkness and it is truly terrible beyond words. I tried to explain it in a writing, but I know I haven't even got close to relaying what I experienced because English has no words to describe much of it.That said, while I believe there is an Outer Darkness, a Hell, Hades, etc, these are not the Second Death and…[Read more]

Judging by this post you have missed the point completely.

Hi Mike. I will engage in this subject soon. And I am glad that it has a home now, so I can always find it rather than digging through other topics to find where we discussed this last. But I am going to take a slow approach because I am dedicated right now to the 'Eternal hell torment' topic at the moment. I have a lot of writing to do on this…[Read more]

I have said it before palal, but I want to make a point of this. You believe that the wicked have eternal life just as the righteous do. Your only distinction is where that eternal life is spent. But scripture shows us that the destruction of the wicked is the polar opposite of eternal life and that eternal life is not inherent in humans, rather…[Read more]

Quote (palal @ June 15 2013,19:28)it's a simple question we return to, why did the HS put the words “eternal destruction” together if it is not “ongoing destruction for eternity” ? Why does it say what it says?Death on earth is only temporal because the wicked will be raised again at the resurrection of the dead. Death in the Lake of Fire (the…[Read more]

@ palal.We both agree that Hell is real and the Lake of Fire is eternal of which Hell is thrown into.We both agree that life is eternal for the elect and that life is not eternal for the wicked or do you believe that life is also eternal for the wicked.So just as life is eternal for the righteous so it is that destruction is eternal for the…[Read more]

Okay just noticed this.Cheers.Will reply later. Very late now.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,14:59)Read:diabolos Definition: 1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely 1a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,2) metaphorically applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with himIs that not the point Mike.There is one Devil/Satan and…[Read more]

What hypothesis?I offer this video as an information tool only.

No one is denying that the destruction is eternal neither you, me, or any other poster here. What we are denying is that humans who are eternally destroyed have eternal life or immortal souls and are thus never quite destroyed because they never fully arrive at the point of destruction. On the contrary, there are many scriptures that say that the…[Read more]