Wow, I have no memory of ever starting this topic. Hence why there is another similar one.

Even this Catholic believes the Whore is the Roman Catholic Church. However, he still believes that the RCC is the one true Church, but that a false Vatican 2.0 is what the Apocalypse is talking about. He can't admit that it is the Vatican even though he shows clear symbols in the Apocalypse with the RCC.

Even this Catholic believes the Whore is the Roman Catholic Church. However, he still believes that the RCC is the one true Church, but that a false Vatican 2.0 is what the Apocalypse is talking about. He can't admit that it is the Vatican even though he shows clear symbols in the Apocalypse with the RCC.

If Jesus was literally the first born of/over all creation, then he would have always been superior, except to God of course.If he is the first work of God as some of the second century father's contend, then yes he would have always been superior. Of course we know he humbled himself, and partook of flesh and became for a time, a little lower…[Read more]

What is Shimmer's site? URL?

I know that Architect has the word arch in it. Apparently the arch changed everything in building terms. Actually I think the Free Masons admonish the Architect of the universe whoever that is to them.

DavidL, the Trinity is the Catholic faith.

And I am simply agreeing with Jesus when he said: “this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.

Here is the faith that you espouse. It is the Catholic Faith. You are under her influence:

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary…[Read more]

BTW, I voted yes. But time is the hard part. Not the desire nor the $25.

I believe that learning Greek or Hebrew would be helpful in understanding scripture which is a good thing. I also understand terraricca's point that this understanding doesn't make us better or lead to righteousness. But learning a language to understand scripture, and then holding to a predefined view regardless of your learning would demonstrate…[Read more]

And the last scripture you quote actually is a proof verse for there being one God the Father. It says, God, Jesus, Spirit.

Where as you say that God is all three, thus, this would make five according to your view.

God Trinity + Jesus + Spirit. Not to mention that there would be two Jesus’s and two spirits.

Back to the drawing board.…[Read more]

DavidL. No one is denying that there is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, and one Spirit.

But that is not the Trinity Doctrine. As I have said before and judging by this post, you are out of your depth and you should graciously concede this.

But Jesus is not Wordly Wiseman is he?

I believe that there is one God the Father, and that he is the only true God, and that he sent his son to this world, and that he made his son, both Lord and Christ.

And for this, you call me Worldly Wiseman, and yet these are not my words, but the words of Paul, and more importantly, the words of…[Read more]

Thanks Terr, for those scriptures.

Tell me DavidL.

What holds more weight in your eyes.

A whole sermon from John Bunyan or Chuck Misler on the Trinity, or one sentence from Jesus who is the Word of God.

I choose Jesus Christ any day. Not you so it seems. But it is better to believe the master than one of his servants.

Jesus said, “This is ETERNAL LIFE, that you may…[Read more]

If you can’t prove the doctrine using scripture, then quoting great men of God from times past won’t do it either. Remember that we all live in a different time with different problems to contend with. Today, we might think we need to belong to a denomination and many great teachers teach this. But it is also not true.

Where are the scriptures…[Read more]

Even Chuck Missler cannot prove the Trinity. I put my trust in scripture and the words of Jesus Christ.