By the way, I cannot find that debate we had regarding this subject. Do you know where it is exactly? Perhaps we can continue there as this subject may be helpful for this topic, but it is somewhat taking over from that topic.

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I did explain it. He was begotten not created. Both bring about existence, one directly from, the other via the Word. Jesus as the Word of God was begotten. Whereas you and me were created, that is, our coming to exist is not by being born directly of God, but by God through the Word and then further being begotten of our parents.

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John 1:3 NRSV ©
All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being.

The Greek text says all things “came into existence” through him, and apart from him “nothing came into existence”.

Lots of questions could be asked here. Does a robot exist?

I feel you are trying to blur the meaning of created and begotten…[Read more]

we are those that have believed in their message but are not redeemed from the earth but will live under his rule on earth ,

After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were…[Read more]

You should be more worried about worshiping the Beast and receiving his IMAGE, which is the false IMAGE  he created of Jesus being a preexistent GOD.  That is his MARK many have already received into their foreheads or minds.

That means we are free to take an ID mark for the purposes of buying and selling if that is ever offered or mandated.

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<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. </span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>2 He was with God in the beginning. </span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. </span>
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t8, did the Word come into existence when he was begotten by God?

It matters not regarding the two scriptures I give you. I believe he came into existence by God, but I am asking you for an explanation as to how you can keep these two scripture from contradicting your view that is all. I have already explained my view to you. That to be created is…[Read more]

Okay terraricca, if we accept that the Word is created, then these two scriptures have to be wrong.

John 1:1-3

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
2 He was with God in the beginning. 
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 
4 In him was life, and that li…[Read more]

I will make it even simpler for you @Mikeboll64

Q: Was the Word created?

If you say yes, then you have a problem as to how the Word was created through the Word.

If you say no, and if Jesus is the Word, then you admit that he was not created.

So if the scripture says “EVERYTHING” was created through Jesus/The Word, then isn’t it equally clear that Jesus/The Word is EXCLUDED from the “EVERYTHING”?

I will explain it again so you don’t overlook it.

You believe Jesus was made/created. He is a created being thus he was created.

But we are clearly told that ALL that was created/ma…[Read more]

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So if the scripture says “EVERYTHING” was created through Jesus/The Word, then isn’t it equally clear that Jesus/The Word is EXCLUDED from the “EVERYTHING”?

Read 1 Cor 8:6. It is the same “ALL THINGS” that came from God which also came through our Lord, Jesus Christ. Now since it’s clear that God Himself is NOT one of the “ALL THINGS”…

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The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,

This is how we are one with God. By our spirits being united with his Spirit.
It is this union that is eternal life. Rivers of life flowing from our inner most being.

It is very clear from scriptures that we have free will

Note how many promises of God begin with “if” or “whosoever”

How many incredible promises are available that should we choose to believe them, our lives would truly glorify God

Agreed. Some would have us believe that this doesn’t actually mean anything.

Thanks terraricca.

Gene, why do you bother to convince us we have no free will. You obviously expect us to be able to freely choose your view based on the evidence you present to us. And if we did choose to align with your view, then in deed that is a demonstration of someone choosing freely among the options presented to him. So why even bother? What you are trying…[Read more]

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When I look at your view of Jesus Christ in its entirety I am confused about the following. Perhaps you can clear this up for me. I apologise if you have already done this elsewhere. Also, correct me if I am wrong in representing your views.

You believe:

• The Word that was with God had a beginning.
• Jesus is the Word that was with…

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A must answer question:
Did you know that Jesus was already announced as Lord on the day when He was born as a man?

I am not sure exactly when he became Lord. But I know that God made him Lord.
Whether we think he was Lord when he was the Word or Lord when he first gathered disciples around him, the fact remains he is Lord because God made him Lord.