Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is God the Father? Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is the Lord Jesus Christ?

I will answer directly but will frame the context of my answer so you cannot take it out of context.

I believe that there is a devil and that scripture says that Satan is the Devil. I believe…[Read more]

Your passage in Col 1 actually doesn’t dismiss an eternal existence at all. The word ‘firstborn’ does not mean first created.
If you understood the Son as eternal also it would help you lay a firm foundation as you study.

To be born means you have a parent or source. Thus the offspring cannot exist without the source but the source can witho…[Read more]

Try copying this code in Text mode, the look at it in Visual mode and back to Text mode.
It will help you understand the difference. You don’t have to post it. Just try that out.

<span style="color: #ff0000;">red</span>

<span style="color: #0000ff;">blue</span>

🙂

Before I submit my post, I select a word then click on the ‘A underlined’ icon and the word will be in the chosen color. But when I submit the post, the color goes away and the code appears. What am I doing wrong??

Not sure what you are doing wrong. Sounds like you are correctly using Visual mode to format the text from your description, but per…[Read more]

LU, here is the code:
<span style="color: #ff0000;">red</span>

<span style="color: #0000ff;">blue</span>

Renders as:

red
blue

I just copied your code and pasted it in Text mode. Text mode is for code.
Visual mode is different, it works like MS Word. You apply styles using the toolbar. If you post code in visual mode, then it will show the…[Read more]

Oh really?
Why then does scripture call Jesus the ruler of the kings on earth? (Rev 1:5)

The Earth is YHWH’s. Satan is the god of this world/age.

Without delving deep into the language, if Earth and world are the correct words, then that is the difference right there.

YHWH created the Earth.

Satan is the theos of this age/eon/world.

This age…[Read more]

Since you can’t tell me when the word came forth before the cosmos, can you tell me how long the word existed before coming forth before the cosmos? If not, then you cannot tell me that the word did not eternally exist. Do you agree?

Kathi, the term came forth is enough. It is self explanatory. You trying to make it an eternal coming forth is an o…[Read more]

I said there are two eternal beings, one as the offspring part of the other, both go by the name Jehovah because both have the characteristic of eternal existence. Both are in the position of deity to us. Not just one.

Two eternal beings and one God? That means you do teach to as being merged into one God as you denied earlier.

If the two eternal…[Read more]

Granting the Son to give eternal life to others does not mean that the Son didn’t always exist. It just means that He got His authority to give eternal life to others from His Father.

God changes not LU. You now paint this picture that Jesus is God and yet changes lots. He was granted this and that. Before that he didn’t have this or that. He w…[Read more]

I was not making an argument that He was not a literal firstborn. My question which you did not seem to understand was to see if you realize that the term ‘firstborn’ does not tell you how long one existed before being born but just tells you that one was the first to be born who already existed alive for a period of time. You seem to use it as…

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Btw, as a side note, being an eternal Father implies that you have an eternal offspring.

Ahem. God became a Father when he begat a son. Before he begat a son, was he a Father?

Did God declare that he was a Father before he begat and created anything? And if so, then to whom did he declare this?

Rather, he is a Father and he is eternal. That…[Read more]

I never taught ‘eternally proceeding’ either. I teach that He always has been the eternal offspring part of God and has been begotten (brought forth) from God, NOT continually being begotten from God.

Ahem. If he has always been brought forth for eternaity, then it is ‘eternally proceeding’. The eternal offspring of God you are trying to convinc…[Read more]

LU, do you have any photos or other evidence since there is no scriptural support for your view?

I agree that the logos was part of God, but the logos that was with God did not lessen the logos in God.

Your view suggests that the logos in God is Jesus as an embryo, but wisdom was also an attribute of God that he begat before all. So was Jesus…[Read more]

Clearly she cannot be us Nick if there is one God the Father and one Lord the Lord Jesus Christ for us.
She is one of them, not us by our brother Paul’s definition.

Did the US help create ISIS?

Agreed. What is way more important is believing who Jesus is, i.e., the messiah, lord, and son of God. Technicalities regarding his origin are of less importance. But even the lesser truths are important to discuss because each truth adds to our full understanding of God and his Christ.

@Carmel

The Trinity is Babylon/Confusion.

Jesus said: “eternal life is this, that they may know the ONLY true God AND Jesus whom HE has sent.

Jesus did not say: “eternal life is this, to know the only true God, the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

The first is the words of eternal life. The latter is not, yet many are drunk on those words.

In another thread you made a statement that could only mean that there were two eternal Gods. Was this statement incorrect, or is this what you believe now.

 Both Father and Son are eternal beings and both have the name Jehovah which appropriately demonstrates the eternalness of existence.

The context is about granting the Son of Man to have the authority to judge and give eternal life to His followers.

Granted being the keyword in your statement.

God also made him Lord and messiah.

There is one God and there is one who God made both Lord and Christ. God granted him to have this life and the privileged positions that he holds. In…[Read more]