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    from my limited understanding most ancient texts say 666 with a smaller group saying 616. I am not sure which are older and if the 616 translations are the earliest. I think the Dead Sea Scrolls say 666, but would need to check that. I have never read anywhere that the those scrolls say 616.

    Would be good to know what the earliest scroll or…[Read more]

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    Thanks for those verses Princess.

    Gene, if scriptures use “the whole Earth” to define the land that they knew about, then we have to be open to that phrase also meaning that in other parts of scripture, even the flood.

    Of course we have to be open to it also meaning the planet. As kerwin said, context is important.

    Personally speaking I would…[Read more]

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    Thanks for those verses Princess.

    Gene, if scriptures use “the whole Earth” to define the land that they knew about, then we have to be open to that phrase also meaning that in other parts of scripture, even the flood.

    Of course we have to be open to it also meaning the planet. As kerwin said, context is important.

    Personally speaking I would…[Read more]

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    Thanks for those verses Princess.

    Gene, if scriptures use “the whole Earth” to define the land that they knew about, then we have to be open to that phrase also meaning that in other parts of scripture, even the flood.

    Of course we have to be open to it also meaning the planet. As kerwin said, context is important.

    Personally speaking I would…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic False refutions in the forum Debates 11 years, 10 months ago

    Yes bod, I have to agree with your post.

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Then it seems you are not saying Allah is literally a god of fortresses?

    I don’t know where you get that idea. It is written that way in scripture. Some translations say forces, some say fortress, others say stronghold. Try to imagine what is being conveyed here. Whatever word you take, it doesn’t rule out Islam. It could be considered a mighty f…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Then it seems you are not saying Allah is literally a god of fortresses?

    I don’t know where you get that idea. It is written that way in scripture. Some translations say forces, some say fortress, others say stronghold. Try to imagine what is being conveyed here. Whatever word you take, it doesn’t rule out Islam. It could be considered a mighty f…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Then it seems you are not saying Allah is literally a god of fortresses?

    I don’t know where you get that idea. It is written that way in scripture. Some translations say forces, some say fortress, others say stronghold. Try to imagine what is being conveyed here. Whatever word you take, it fits Islam. It is a mighty fort, it uses force for…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Then it seems you are not saying Allah is literally a god of fortresses?

    I don’t know where you get that idea. It is written that way in scripture. Some translations say forces, some say fortress, others say stronghold. Try to imagine what is being conveyed here.

    Given that is correct the verse is not evidence to prove your case the Anti Christ…

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Then it seems you are not saying Allah is literally a god of fortresses?

    I don’t know where you get that idea. It is written that way in scripture.

    Given that is correct the verse is not evidence to prove your case the Anti Christ is not a secularist.

    It also isn’t proof that he isn’t a Martian.

    If you want to say that he is a secularist, then…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Then it seems you are not saying Allah is literally a god of fortresses?

    I don’t know where you get that idea. It is written that way in scripture.

    Given that is correct the verse is not evidence to prove your case the Anti Christ is not a secularist.

    It also isn’t proof that he isn’t a Martian.

    If you want to say that he is a secularist, then…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Then it seems you are not saying Allah is literally a god of fortresses?

    I don’t know where you get that idea. It is written that way in scripture.

    Given that is correct the verse is not evidence to prove your case the Anti Christ is not a secularist.

    It also isn’t proof that he is a Martian.

    If you want to say that he is a secularist, then you…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    Wouldn’t any ” set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe” would fit that definition.

    Note: quote is a definition of religion minus the “especially” statement as dictionary.com

    I wouldn’t say that all were strong though. Not all sets of beliefs are like a castle and not all challenges to beliefs is like sieging a…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    bod, you cannot defend a lie with another lie.

    The Trinity, Vatican, etc is as much a lie as saying that God has no son.

    It should not be Christian to say that God became a man, as the scriptures say that the Word became flesh.

    However, there is much false doctrine in the name of ‘Christian’, but it is Jesus Christ who is the truth.…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    bod, you cannot defend a lie with another lie.

    The Trinity, Vatican, etc is as much a lie as saying that God has no son.

    It should not be Christian to say that God became a man, as the scriptures say that the Word became flesh.

    However, there is much false doctrine in the name of ‘Christian’, but it is Jesus Christ who is the truth.…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    bod, you cannot defend a lie with another lie.

    The Trinity, Vatican, etc is as much a lie as saying that God has no son.

    It is not Christian to say that God became a man, the scriptures say that the Word became flesh.

    However, there is much false doctrine in the name of ‘Christian’, but it is Jesus Christ who is the truth. Christianity contains…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer replied to the topic in the forum Islam 11 years, 10 months ago

    bod, you cannot defend a lie with another lie.

    The Trinity, Vatican, etc is as much a lie as saying that God has no son.

    It is not Christian to say that God became a man, the scriptures say that the Word became flesh.

    However, there is much false doctrine in the name of Christian, but it is Jesus Christ who is the truth, not Christian.…[Read more]

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    I personally do not consider him Antichrist and I quite like his style of preaching. However it is here as food for thought about prosperity doctrine in general. I personally see that doctrine as being unrealistic for many Christians especially in the Muslim world. They are often suffering the gravest of persecution and facing death each day.

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    Yes that is a great video. Just goes to show aye. God sees everything, and we got to see that. Imagine what we haven’t seen.

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    If the whole earth can mean the known world of the time, then it could possibly mean all flesh in that area. And if God told Noah to take “EVERY” LIVING THING OF “ALL” FLESH” into the ark as you say, then did he come to New Zealand?

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