So your view is that he was the physical son of God at birth, (like Adam), then became the spiritual son at baptism. Is that right?

BTW, if you copy your post as it appears, and paste it back in in Text Mode, it should render the code.

Was Jesus the son of God before his baptism?

Was Jesus Christ the son of God before his baptism?

Did JESUS come in the flesh?
Did all creation come through JESUS?
Was JESUS God and with God?
Care with scripture is vital.

1 John 4:2
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus…[Read more]

Did JESUS come in the flesh?
Did all creation come through JESUS?
Was JESUS God and with God?
Care with scripture is vital.

1 John 4:2
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus…[Read more]

Put it another way. Of those that know God and are his children, what of those who smite them?

Did God command those to smite them?

Did God command them to smite his son?

If so, then both are of God, those being persecuted and those who persecute and kill them.

This is the dilemma you have with trying to make out that the Bible and Quran are…[Read more]

Why do you say “YHWH would never” and what will you say when I show you otherwise? Do you believe in the prophecy in your own Bible, does that Bible say the Jews would be smited for turning their backs on God? If you said yes then yes “YHWH would do that” because that is what He did, if you said no then let me help you out:

YHWH hands his people…[Read more]

Psalm 19 King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In…[Read more]

I was not aware that the toolbar above doesn’t work for some.

It works for me as Admin and T8. My T8 login is the same as yours.

Is this true for others?

I was not aware that the toolbar above doesn’t work for some.

It works for me as Admin and T8. My T8 login is the same as yours.

Is this true for others?

Yes it is that river.  While I have seen amazing clarity in many rivers in NZ, this one was so clear it was as if it wasn’t there.

My guess is that the river of life flows from the Father through the Son to all creation.

Jesus claimed that he was the life and further, all that the son has comes from the Father.

Yes that it is that river.  While I have seen amazing clarity in many rivers here in NZ, this one was so clear it was hard to see it.

My guess is that the river of life flows from the Father through the Son to all creation.

Jesus claimed that he was the life and further, all that the son has comes from the Father.

Hi Hazz.

I don’t purport to know the exact answer, but can I offer this suggestion.

The sun is located in space and its light and heat radiate out through out the entire Solar System, far beyond where it resides.

When the rays of the sun hit our skin, we speak of it as the sun, and we talk about going out in the sun, and we cover up from the…[Read more]

Hi Hazz.

I don’t purport to know the exact answer, but can I offer this suggestion.

The sun is located in space and its light and heat radiate out through out the Solar System far beyond where it resides.

When the rays of the sun hit our skin, we speak of it as the sun and we talk about going out in the sun, and we cover up from the sun, even…[Read more]

Jesus is the Christ. Yes when I say Jesus, I am talking about the Christ. The one whom God made both Lord and Christ.

Those who deny that Jesus is the Christ are of the antichrist spirit. If we say that he was not the Christ when he was 25 years old, then is that Antichrist?

I think the Gnostics believed that Jesus was not the Christ, but Christ…[Read more]

Jesus is the Christ. Yes when I say Jesus, I am talking about the Christ. The one whom God made both Lord and Christ.

Those who deny that Jesus is the Christ are of the antichrist spirit. If we say that he was not the Christ when he was 25 years old, then is that Antichrist?

I think the Gnostics believed that Jesus was not the Christ, but Christ…[Read more]

I do not concede this.

I am saying that you cannot say that he was not with God in the beginning which is what you are saying right.

We know that Jesus is the full expression/image of the invisible God and God made all things through him and for him, thus it also says that God made all through the Word and we know that the Word was WITH God…[Read more]