There is more counter evidence against your claim, do you want to see it?

What claim? These ones?

Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Colossians 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him…[Read more]

Therefore it is safe to conclude: it is through Jesus’ death on the cross that all things were created by God.

Where is the word ‘death’ mentioned in relation to why God created all things through the son.

And spell out to me exactly how the process works?

So he dies for humanity, then God decides to create all things?
Or before anything was c…[Read more]

God is the Father and from where did Jesus originally come if he came from God? Was it from God’s own attributes like truth, logos, wisdom, etc? Perhaps this is why he is names these things. He came from God and then he came here to our world. Now he is back in the glory that he had with the Father before the cosmos.

When God gives us a new name…[Read more]

Ed J, you are not coming across as clearly understating what I am saying judging by your second to last post.

If Jesus said he was the truth, then does that mean that all truth including the truth in God is Jesus?

Do you see the point now.

Logos is not 100% exclusively Jesus Christ either.

This is true Tony M. Denominations are created mostly because of disagreements. But I would also say that disagreements do not have to end that way. I disagree with the Trinity Doctrine and have done so for 15 years on this site and years before that. Yet in that time I have not wanted to create a denomination nor be part of one. This is partly…[Read more]

This is true Tony M. Denominations are created mostly because of disagreements. But I would also say that disagreements do not have to end that way. I disagree with the Trinity Doctrine and have done so for 15 years on this site and years before that. Yet in that time I have not wanted to create a denomination nor be part of one. This is partly…[Read more]

This is true Tony M. Denominations are created mostly because of disagreements. But I would also say that disagreements do not have to end that way. I disagree with the Trinity Doctrine and have done so for 15 years on this site and years before that. Yet in that time I have not wanted to create a denomination nor be part of one. This is partly…[Read more]

Ed J.

All truth is of God. Lies are of the Evil One.

Jesus said he was the truth and we know that lots of people tell lies.

The second century apostles believed that the Word that was with God came from God and did not lessen the Word that was in God. They did not rule out the Word in other contexts.

Tatian (165 A.D)
For just as from one torch…[Read more]

Ed J.

All truth is of God. Lies are of the Evil One.

Jesus said he was the truth and we know that lots of people tell lies.

The second century apostles believed that the Word that was with God came from God and did not lessen the Word that was in God. They did not rule out the Word in other contexts.

Tatian (165 A.D)
For just as from one torch…[Read more]

Ed J.

All truth is of God. Lies are of the Evil One.

Jesus said he was the truth and lots of people tell lies.

The second century apostles believed that the Word that was with God came from God and did not lessen the Word that was in God. They did not rule out the Word in other contexts.

Tatian (165 A.D)
For just as from one torch many fires…[Read more]

Ed J.

All truth is of God. Lies are of the Evil One.

Jesus said he was the truth and lots of people tell lies.

The second century apostles believed that the Word that was with God came from God and did not lessen the Word that was in God. They did not rule out the Word in other contexts.

Tatian (165 A.D)
For just as from one torch many fires…[Read more]

Ed J.

All truth is of God. Lies are of the Evil One.

Jesus said he was the truth…

The second century apostles believed that the Word that was with God came from God and did not lessen the Word that was in God. They did not rule out the Word in other contexts.

Tatian (165 A.D)
For just as from one torch many fires are lighted, but the light…[Read more]

Yes, it seems to be that.

Glad we agree. 🙂

Psalm 119:89
Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven. 

God’s truth is established for all eternity. It changes not.

One reason men look outside of the truth to proclaim what they falsely claim is truth, logic, and wise is that they love the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Many of the learned reject truth…[Read more]

Glad we agree. 🙂

Psalm 119:89
Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven. 

God’s truth is established for all eternity. It changes not.

One reason men look outside of the truth to proclaim what they falsely claim is truth, logic, and wise is that they love the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Many of the learned reject truth…[Read more]

But if it leads men astray then it wasn’t truth. Truth is never a deceitful instrument. Any deceit comes from the heart of man, not from truth.

I would argue that logic is no different in that respect.

A man can argue that according to logic that 1 + 1 = 7, but that is not logical, thus he falsely claims to have logic. This has no bearing on…[Read more]

But if it leads men astray then it wasn’t truth. Truth is never a deceitful instrument. Any deceit comes from the heart of man, not from truth.

I would argue that logic is not different in that respect.

A man can argue that according to logic that 1 + 1 = 7, but that is not logical, thus he falsely claims to have logic. This has no bearing on…[Read more]

Good point. We know that the head of the man is Christ.